Has anyone else noticed Estrada dogging it out there?

[jason21nl]

Who cares if he is out by a step or 4

 

I care! I care big time. You bust you butt til you're out. Thats how I have always been taught. Even in a little game of softball, if I hit a ball to the pitcher, where I know i'm going to be out 99 out of 100 times I run as hard as I can. You are paid to play the game full out. It takes a player 5 secs to run to first, its not much to ask of a player to run those 5 seconds as hard as he can.

 

i really can't believe that people are saying that its ok not to hustle. If I were a manager of a team, there is no way you would be playing the next game if you dogged it down the line.

 

am I mad that he hit into a DP, yeah, that sucks. Did he try to do that? No, but not running hard is where I have a major problem with it.

[BrewCrewForever]

So Yost says he has tightness in his legs, Schroeder says he broke his bat and that is why he didn't hustle. Those are some horriable excuses. The bottomline is Estrada is already slow, but he didnt even attempt to run that ball out. I have finally come to the conclusion the guy is overated as a offensive catcher. Like someone said yesterday in the vent thread I believe. He looks nice in a box score, but really he stinks. No hustle and horriable defense. How many routine pop ups has he dropped this year? Too many. I hope Miller starts today for sure.

[lcbj68c]

I'm sorry but how can that not bother you? You are in an extra innings game in a playoff run, you had better be running hard on every play. Hustling is one thing that every player can control. You don't need talent to hustle, to run fas yes but not to bust your butt down the line.

 

Can we stop calling this a playoff run? It's July 23rd. Secondly, I didn't see the play, but if he didn't hustle, then shame on him, but I can't understand all the rush to have to find "blame" on a particular pitcher, hitter, fielder, coach for every god darn loss that happens to this team. It's not Sept 28th, it's not must win. Now that's not an excuse not to hustle, but this is baseball, not one play does a game make so why the quickness to blame Estrada and basically start a thread that he doesn't care about his job over 1 failed task? Hell, I printed wrong information on a form last week. It was 1 form of over hundreds of arrest paperwork I filled out, doesn't mean I don't care about my job.

[jason21nl]

Can we stop calling this a playoff run?

 

what would you like to call it then? since its a team in the first place trying to make the playoffs, I'll say its a playoff run.

 

but I can't understand all the rush to have to find "blame" on a particular pitcher, hitter, fielder, coach for every god darn loss that happens to this team

 

I never blamed the loss on him or yost. but not to hustle in that situstion is totally inexcusable and for yost to keep batting him 5th is also totally inexcusable.

 

It's not Sept 28th, it's not must win

 

its not a must win no, but these games are huge to win because these are the games we are going to need down the stretch.

 

but this is baseball, not one play does a game make so why the quickness to blame Estrada and basically start a thread that he doesn't care about his job over 1 failed task

 

one play can make a game though. if he hustles it out, and the catcher does throw it away, that one play could have turned around the whole game. I say he is lazy because every time there is a ball in the dirt he comes up on it and trys to short hop it. A good catcher goes down to block the ball. Every time he rolls over a ball and hits it to second he might as well just walk to first becuase he little jog isn't doing anything.

[BrewCrewForever]

Estrada is not the one man to blame for that pathetic loss yesterday. It was a team effort when you score only 1 one, but I just cant stand seeing guys getting paid as much as they do not playing the game hard. And that was a situation where you have to be running as hard as you can to try to win a baseball game. Maybe Johnny was thinking about his Hummer H3 with the big ass rims on them, instead of running out a groundball.

[jhart05]

So, let's say he runs hard, pulls a hammy, and is out for a month. No, I'm sorry, still doesn't bother me that he didn't run hard to first on that play.

 

Again, the issue for me is still the pitch he offered at. It was inside and would have been ball two. The count was only 1-0 for cripes sakes, should have been 2-0. Take a pitch in that situation and wait for something you can at least hit a fly ball into the outfield. You're supposed to be a professional hitter, do your job.

 

I didn't get a good look at the movement of the pitch, but it ended up on his hands, again. And it was only Stormy Weathers, he doesn't have that great of movement on his pitches does he? He did the same thing in one of those San Fran games, except that time he actually did hit the ball with his hands.

 

 

EDIT: I was looking at the wrong inning in the game log. The count was 0-1. But still, the pitch was inside, and I can't imagine Weathers having that good of movement on his pitches.

[jhart05]

I do agree that one man wasn't to blame for last night thou.

[Paul77]

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So, let's say he runs hard, pulls a hammy, and is out for a month. No, I'm sorry, still doesn't bother me that he didn't run hard to first on that play.

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Hmm. This reminds me of something my (former) boss said to me once (about 3 month before I got his job). "Can't be done, don't even try"

[adambr2]

Maybe I'm the only one, but this one reeks of a line of crap from Yost if you ask me.

 

Let me see. Fans are calling for Estrada's head because he costed us the game last night. Estrada has dogged it on the basepaths all season. So after last night, Yost runs in and exclaims that he was hurt and he told him not to hustle. Wasn't a word about this injury before, but after last night, we hear that he's suddenly been hurt for 2 weeks, and that's why he didn't hustle, even though he hasn't hustled the entire season.

 

So, you had the bases loaded, nobody out, game on the line, and a guy in that you knew couldn't do more than jog, with your other catcher available. If all he can do is jog, should he really have even been starting? It's not like his defensive prowess helps us out any.

 

Sorry. Sounds to me like Yost was just sticking up for Estrada.

[MarquesJohnson2000]

He DOES have a bad hammy!

 

www.jsonline.com/watch/?w...7&id=26879

[funkyplaidcoat]

Amid outcries from Brewers fans that Johnny Estrada didn't hustle while grounding into a game-changing double play Monday night, manager Ned Yost revealed today that his catcher had been playing with an ailing left hamstring for a couple of weeks.

 

that's us!

[rluzinski]

Estrada dogging it certainly annoyed me, but it wasn't even close to costing the Brewers the win, IMO. I think the only reason the catcher double clutched was because he had the time to get a better angle.

 

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but if he didn't hustle, then shame on him, but I can't understand all the rush to have to find "blame" on a particular pitcher, hitter, fielder, coach for every god darn loss that happens to this team.

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Don't you watch the news? The less people that can be blamed for something, the better.

[adambr2]

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He DOES have a bad hammy!

 

www.jsonline.com/watch/?w...7&id=26879

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Yes, I read the article, that's what I was commenting on. That doesn't tell me anything than the fact that Yost said after the outcry last night that he has been hurting.

[temke]

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I think the only reason the catcher double clutched was because he had the time to get a better angle.

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after watching the replay a couple times, i think it may have been to give the first baseman time to return to the base...but both are plausible explanations.

[Sopranos62]

While Estrada alone did not cost us a win yesterday, he has been disappointing in several situations. I still say batting Estrada 5th is a the wrong place for him and Hall better be batting in that spot in tomorrow night's lineup. Either Hall or Hart in the 5 spot.

 

Jason

[splitterpfj]

Let's tie the two threads together.

 

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