Buehrle - Latest: 4-year extension

[Tedaldtada]

Vargas

Mench

Inman

Solome

for

Buehrle

Dye

 

might be enough to put us over the top

 

Weeks (when healthy)

Hardy

Braun

Fielder

Dye

Hall

Hart/Jenkins

Estrada

 

plus Buehrle takes Vargas' spot. Those are two solid upgrades in my opinion. I think Buehrle could thrive in the national league.

Do you think this is enough for these guys?

[jackalope02ca]

I doubt they would have any interest in Vargas or Mench.

 

I'm sure most if not all teams would be interested in Salome or Inman.

[DHonks]

Buehrle has thrived in the AL, so I imagine he'd be even better in the NL.

 

I'd love to add Buehrle and Dye, I just don't think we have much of value. I would happily trade Vargas and Mench. If the deal were right, I'd consider dealing Bush, Gwynn, Gross, Wise, or Tbow.

 

I wouldn't touch Salome, Inman, or Yo.

[berniebrewer4life]

I donno about Dye. Where would we put him? Burhle, yes please. I will take him in a heartbeat.

[pogokat]

this trade proposal is like a video game prosposal...you just unload the players you dont want, plus the teams two best prospect past yo and voila! dye and buehrle...

 

i wouldn't trade inman and salome for those guys...i wouldn't trade inman and salome unless i was getting vlad guerrero or johan santana...

[paul253]

Right now I dont think the Brewers have any need for Buerhle, but I'd trade for Dye in an instant if we could avoid giving up Inman. He's exactly what we need, a solid, power hitting corner outfielder. Maybe Irabarren, Parra, and a guy like Lorenzo Cain or Gillespie.

[berniebrewer4life]

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Right now I dont think the Brewers have any need for Buerhle,

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You can never have too much pitching. Especially when said pitcher has a 3.66 ERA and a WHIP of 1.02. Those numbers are from the AL Central too. I bet he could drop that ERA a bit over here. Dye is currently hitting WAYYYYY below his avg, and would be nice to have, but we really don't need him.

[Tedaldtada]

this trade proposal is like a video game prosposal...you just unload the players you dont want, plus the teams two best prospect past yo and voila! dye and buehrle...

wouldn't trade inman and salome for those guys...i wouldn't trade inman and salome unless i was getting vlad guerrero or johan santana...

 

So are you saying that the Brewers or the White Sox are the ones getting ripped off? I thought it was a pretty fair trade all around.

Yeah, the Sox get two of our top three prospects, good for them, but neither of these guys is within a year of the bigs at least, good for us if we trade them. Inman is much closer, as he seems to be on Yo's timetable, but Angel seems a few years away at least. As stated in the little blurb on ESPN MLB Rumor Central, if the Sox were going to trade these guys, they would want mainly prospects in return so they can try and 'rebuild on the fly'. This trade allows them to do that IMO.

 

Also, Vargas and Mench are very servicible if not average major leaguers. Vargas is being pushed hard by Yo and CV for that rotation spot, and Mench is pretty much a spare part for this team. Even though these guys are looking like the weak links on a contending team right now, there are still a ton of teams who would definitley want these guys.

 

Vargas fits in Chicago because he acts as a stopgap until Inman, Broadway, Haeger, or whoever come up and take his spot.

 

Mench fits either as Dyes replacement or the main backup for a guy like Ryan Sweeney or (gulp) Brian Anderson, and this would fit their rebuilding plans.

 

Dye could come to the Brewers with his World Series MVP and ring and mash for two or so years in the corner OF for us. Jenkins would definitley be let go next year, and Hart would start in the other corner full time next year while he platoons with Jenks and Dye for the remainder of this season.

 

Buehrle also pitched great in those playoffs for the Sox and is having a very strong season this year with the no-hitter and all. He could take Vargas' spot and Yo and CV could remain as our injury replacements for any of the starters.

 

To me the one thing that really holds this trade up for the Brewers is the money we would take on. But Jenks will be gone after this year, and I know Beuhrle isn't tied up for long, so the financial hit could be short-lived. Besides, if they help us win a championship, Mark A. won't care what he paid for them.

 

Lastly, on not wanting to trade Inman and Salome unless you get Vlad or Johan, I think that's a little stiff for those two. I hope you are right about them though. I have much faith in Inman, not as much as some on this site, but I think a lot of things have to go perfect for Salome to really prosper. Right now, I see him as some sort of mixture of Estrada and Y. Molina. He's a little faster though I guess. In my opinion, Salome is less valueable than Yo, Inman, Gillespie, Fermaint, Jeffress, Gamel, Brewer, Braddock, Cain, maybe even Alicides and The Hurricaine. I might be forgetting someone but I think he is one of our shakier top prospects. We are getting a top five MVP vote getter from last year and an extremely solid number five pitcher, number two or three on most teams, in return for these guys. It's a World Series or bust during these prescious years with this group and this deal would put us closer to the goal than ever.

[endaround]

The Sox are getting ripped off was the point. Inman and Solome aren't enough alone to get Buerhle alone and then you throw on jetsam like Mench to lower the value you give up.

[Tedaldtada]

The Sox are getting ripped off was the point. Inman and Solome aren't enough alone to get Buerhle alone and then you throw on jetsam like Mench to lower the value you give up.

 

I think pogo said he wouldn't trade those two for Santana or Vladdy. The Sox wouldn't think twice about Inman and Angel for Beuhrle. He would be in Milwaukee within hours. I would have a major problem with that deal.

 

Also, i was trying to convey the point that Vargas and Mench still have plenty of value to non-contending teams trying to rebuild. Just because they can barley carry their weight for the Crew doesn't mean the Sox couldn't really use them. They would be shedding payroll and paving the way for some of their prospects to come up and contribute.

 

It seems like I am just trying to rationalize a scenerio where Vargas and Mench have value, but they are no means the centerpiece of the deal.

[jackalope02ca]

I disagree. Inman and Salome would be very close to what you need to give up to get Buerhle. I feel Inman has as much upside as Gallardo.

 

Your also right about Mench. There is no reason to DFA him. Yet. Come the trade deadline he might be looking for a job.

 

Someone please explain why any team in MLB would want Kevin Mench even if we paid his entire salary? Unless your team is having a win a truck contest if your head is bigger than Kevin Mench's promotion he has no value. A team is better off bringing up a youngster that has a chance. No playoff bound team is going to want him. He demonstrated a bad attitude that went public in Spring Training.

 

His best bet is likely Japan next year. Maybe if he mashes over there for a couple of years he could make his way back.

[Crewin06]

Lets see if this little fact changes any proposals

 

Both are free agents after the year.

 

The most I would give up for Buehrle is Vargas and maybe Zach Jackson.

 

 

For Jermaine Dye a 33 year old corner outfielder with a .742 OPS this season I would give up Gabe Gross.

 

So for both I would give up Vargas, Jackson and Gabe Gross.

[PeaveyFury]

Buehrle is a FA at the end of the year, and all indications are that the Sox will not be able to resign him. Inman and Salome would be plenty to get Buehrle at this point, I'd think.

 

I'd be all for acquiring Buehrle for the stretch run provided we're still playing well and in first place. Giving up two prospects would hurt, but if Buehrle signs elsewhere, we'd at least get the comp picks at the end of the year. If we could make a reasonable effort to re-sign him, that'd be fantastic as well.

 

Dye on the other hand is having a poor 2007 so far, and at 33, I'm not sure how much better he'd be for us than the glut of OF's we already have. I'd pass for sure.

 

 

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So for both I would give up Vargas, Jackson and Gabe Gross.

 

Then you're not getting either, honestly.

[dadofandrew]

For 2 months of Buerhle, I'd have trouble giving up a boatload of talent, especially with Yo and Carlos as rotation options. Picking up a veteran reliever or two would be a lot cheaper and arguably just as effective.

[jackalope02ca]

I wouldn't do a deal until about a week before the deadline for Buerhle but if we are still 5 or 6 up I would have no problem giving up two high end prospects for him.

 

Yes Yo and Carlos V have a ton of talent but I'm not convinced that Carlos will be a good starter with his stuff. I like him in the role he is in and he will dominate in that role.

 

A veteran starter can win you a playoff game all by themselves. Buerhle fits that role.

[pogokat]

i think inman and salome would probably get one of those guys...but i dont think that would be a good deal for the crew...neither buerhle or dye are good enough to justify mortgaging the farm...

 

i also thought the inclusion of mench and vargas would lessen the value of the prospects...if you are making the sox take those guys, then i'm not sure they do the deal...

 

why on earth do you have slome ranked so low? I'm just curious...

 

i said i would trade inman and angel for vlad or johan, not that i wouldnt...i just dont think you should trade prospects unless you are getting someone that is much better than what you have...i'm not sure we'd be doing that in this case...

[PeaveyFury]

neither buerhle or dye are good enough to justify mortgaging the farm...

 

I agree about Dye, but I think you're selling Buehrle short. He's got a career 3.82 ERA in the AL, and has had only one season out of 8 with an ERA over 4.25. On the Brewers, he'd actually create a legitimate debate about whether he or Sheets was the ace of the staff.

[dadofandrew]

He's a fine pitcher, but you'd have him for a dozen starts and hopefully the postseason. Is that worth 6 years of your top prospect? A couple years ago, those names would have been Hardy, Braun, Hart, Carlos V, etc.

[endaround]

And a couple years ago Buehrle would have been the difference between 81 and 83 wins. Now he's the difference between home field advantage in the first round of the playoffs or not. Not to mention a serious shot at going to the World Series. That said I don't think you'll get him for a pitcher in High A plus a catcher in High A coming off injury.

[PeaveyFury]

He's a fine pitcher, but you'd have him for a dozen starts and hopefully the postseason. Is that worth 6 years of your top prospect?

 

Yeah, I agree with end. We're not talking about chasing 75 or even 82 wins anymore, we're chasing the World Series. Once you get to the playoffs, it's essentially about your top 3-4 starters. Sheets, Buehrle, Capuano and Suppan would give us a top 4 that rivals anyone in the league, and possibly in all of baseball.

 

And it's a dozen starts, possibly the post season, and two comp picks, for the record. And that's assuming we won't re-sign him, which isn't an absolute certainty with Mark A running the team now.

 

Not to mention that in High A ball, Inman has a long way to go before reaching Milwaukee anyway. He's a far thing from a sure bet at this point- just ask Mike Jones or Manny Parra.

[brettac1]

Sheets, Buehrle, Capuano and Suppan would give us a top 4 that rivals anyone in the league, and possibly in all of baseball.

 

I really don't think Bush is that much worse than Buehrle is. I think right now Buehrle is pitching over his head. His K rate has been in decline the last two seasons (it's up this year), and his HR rate has been rising. His FIP last year was 5.32, and it's 4.48 so far this year. He was pretty excellent in '05, but to me that looks the last time that's going to happen. He has a ton of innings on his arm. I know that this is sort of misleading, since he is a very efficient pitcher.

 

The Brewers are going to go to the postseason with or without him is my point, I guess. I don't think any prospect (including Gallardo or Inman) should be untouchable, but I wouldn't trade them for someone like Buehrle.

[Team Canada]

I'd rather have Inman pitching in 1 year than Buehrle now for 2 months.

[Tedaldtada]

why on earth do you have slome ranked so low? I'm just curious...

 

Well it's not that low. Salome is still for sure top 12 in our system, but his age and level leave much more minor league baseball in front of him before we can get a true sense of his legitimacy.

 

Like I said before, I see a speedy estrada at the plate and a yadier molina 'lite' type behind the dish. He also has some injury history to worry about. I believe in the guy, he is definitly the best catching prospect in our system, but losing him for a chance at a ring is worth it to me.

[pogokat]

i think the brewers willo be legitimate playoff contenders for at least the next 4 years...during that time spane they should have multiple shots at the world series...

 

will inman could be the guy that leads this team to a world series in 2009...i just dont want to trade him for a shot this year when he could be the difference in a couple of years...

[PeaveyFury]

will inman could be the guy that leads this team to a world series in 2009

 

He could also be the next Mike Jones or Manny Parra, toiling in Huntsville in 2009 after shoulder surgery.

 

He's a pitcher who has had fantastic success that has never pitched above High-A ball. Let's make sure we're not counting on him to be the next Carlos Villanueva or even the next Gallardo at this point, as he's probably 2 years away from that.

 

And as us Brewer fans know all too well, a lot can happen in those two years.