3 Seperate Trades set Crew up for World Domination

[KC Jim]

I know this won't happen but I'm just playing off other trade proposals. This series of trades would give the Brewers the best lineup in baseball by far for years to come.

 

Trade 1

Brewers and Braves:

Bush for Salty Dog

 

Trade 2

Brewers and Rangers

Gwynn and Sarfate for Otsuka

 

Trade 3

Brewers and D-Rays

Vargas,Jeffers, Salome and Sollman for Crawford.

 

When Hall gets healthy he becomes utility man/second base for the rest of the year and next year becomes full time left fielder. Salty gives us a future stud catcher who makes Salome expendable. D-Rays may want Inman instead of Jeffers and I'd do it and more. The future could start right now.

 

2007/2008 Lineup

CF Crawford

SS Hardy

3B Braun

1B Fielder

RF Hart

C Estrada/Salty

LF Hall

2B Weeks

 

Rotation

SP Sheets

SP Capuano

SP Gallardo

SP Villy

SP Suppan

 

Pen

CL Cordero in 2007

CL Otsuka in 2008

SU TBow

RP Parra (also 6th starter when needed(

RP Wise

RP Balfour

RP Thatcher

RP Nugget

 

It would be time to start getting fitted for rings.

[endaround]

DRays will not make that trade. Besides Crawford doesn't want to be a CFer and as such really isn't that special unless he really takes off. Neither he nor Hall really have the bat to play a corner OF position.

[KC Jim]

Coco thinks Crawford is special.

[JoeHova]

I don't like the last deal at all. Jenkins is better than Crawford, let's just stick with him for now if the best we could get is Crawford.

[Giraldo8]

I don't like the last deal at all. Jenkins is better than Crawford, let's just stick with him for now if the best we could get is Crawford.

 

At what? Maybe crossword puzzles but certainly not baseball

[Never Outhustled]

I don't like the last deal at all. Jenkins is better than Crawford, let's just stick with him for now if the best we could get is Crawford.

 

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At what? Maybe crossword puzzles but certainly not baseball

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Crawford currently has a 781 OPS, and his career high is 830. Jenkins has a career 848 OPS

 

Crawford has some real strong qualities, but he's not a very good hitter. Jenkins has been at least a similar player, and Jenkins has always been an outstanding 2nd half player. Now is not the time to replace Jenkins.

[KC Jim]

The ability to steal 50 SB and create havoc on the basepaths certainly has to be worth something. We seem to have become a team that relies too heavily on the home run. I have no stats or formulas to back this up I'm just saying a guy like Crawford at the top of your lineup come playoff time is more benificial than whatever Jenkins is going to give you. Stats are great for 162 game projections but if the Crew is down a run in the 8th inning of a game 7 who would you rather have coming up to bat?

[jaybird2001wi]

Can we even trade Jeffress yet? Don't we gotta wait a certain amount of time before a recent draft pick can be traded? And why would we trade Salome?

[endaround]

Crawford is a poor man's Corey Hart.

[CportBadger]

Pretty sure you only have to wait something like 6 months to trade a pick. Jeffress could go now, but since he hasn't had much time to build up a history of success you probably are selling pretty low.

[Brian the Automator]

[ Pretty sure you only have to wait something like 6 months to trade a pick. ]

 

You technically have to wait a year after the player signs his pro contract, but you can get around it by 6 months by naming the player as a PTBNL, which has a 6-month shelf life (6+6=12).

[Invader3K]

I really like the first two trades. I just don't think the D-Rays will part with Crawford, though, and don't really see how he would fit in with the team (Brewers) long term.

[Never Outhustled]

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The ability to steal 50 SB and create havoc on the basepaths certainly has to be worth something.

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Yes it does, thats how Crawford closes the gap on Jenkins, as Crawford is clearly an inferior hitter.

 

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We seem to have become a team that relies too heavily on the home run.

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I agree with that. I think the team needs to improve its OBA, Unfortunately, Crawford doesn't help do that. Crawford is an excellent basestealer, but the Brewers actually rate fairly high in stolen bases, and have a very good success rate.

 

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Stats are great for 162 game projections but if the Crew is down a run in the 8th inning of a game 7 who would you rather have coming up to bat?

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Considering Jenkins is a dominant player late in the season, I would guess he could continue that into October. If thats true, Jenkins is a much better option than Crawford.

[Weirdos19]

You guys evidently only look at numbers.

 

Stolen bases have no effect on OPS. So if you were to add stolen bases to OPS (which I think makes sense), Crawford would be a much better player than Jenks.

 

Everybody says Jenks is better than this or that player. He may have been at one time, but now he is a platoon player at best. It isn't even fair to compare this years splits, since Jenks doesn't bat against lefties.

 

Carl Crawford is a terrific player. I'd give Tampa Weeks, Vargas and Inman for him right now. Move Hall to second permanently, and have an outfield of Crawford, Hart, and Jenks for the rest of the season.

[Brian the Automator]

[ I'd give Tampa Weeks, Vargas and Inman for him right now. ]

 

I wouldn't go that far, but Crawford is a player still on the rise, regarding age. His 82% SB rate also gives him extra value.

 

I don't see any way that Jenks is a better all-around ballplayer than Crawford. Platooning is nice, but Ned hasn't shown that he'll PH for Jenks with Mench (or vice versa) very often when the opposing manager switches arms.

[KC Jim]

Crawford V. Jenkins

Age

Crawford 25

Jenkins 33

 

BA V. lefties

Crawford .298

Jenkins .194

 

BA V. righties

Crawford .280

Jenkins .278

 

Crawford by a nose.

[Brian the Automator]

[ Crawford by a nose. ]

 

There are other stats that you're omitting...

[Never Outhustled]

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Stolen bases have no effect on OPS. So if you were to add stolen bases to OPS (which I think makes sense), Crawford would be a much better player than Jenks.

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I think your overrating the effect of stolen bases. A stolen base never drives in a runner from 1st. The impact of stolen bases is very minimal.

[PeaveyFury]

Crawford currently has a 781 OPS, and his career high is 830. Jenkins has a career 848 OPS

 

Crawford's "career high" happened last year at age 23. Jenkins is 32. How much longer is Jenkins' career OPS relevant when he's to be expected to decline and has put up a .791 OPS last year and .825 so far this year?

[Never Outhustled]

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How much longer is Jenkins' career OPS relevant ?

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Jenkins OPS after the break the last 3 years is 933. I think thats the most relevent number in this comparison.

 

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Crawford's "career high" happened last year at age 23.

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Carl Crawford turns 26 in less than a month, so I don't see how he was 23 last season. I even provided a link for you http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif No matter what his age, he's not showing a lot of helium. Jenkins had already had 2 900+ OPS seasons by the age Crawford is now.

[PeaveyFury]

Carl Crawford turns 26 in less than a month, so I don't see how he was 23 last season.

 

Gah, yeah, 24.

 

Jenkins had already had 2 900+ OPS seasons by the age Crawford is now.

 

Well, the 2nd season was the season Crawford is currently in.

[shelmark]

Not taking sides here but stolen bases are valuable for more than just the extra base. Guys that steal do disrupt the pitcher and can lead to poor pitching and nice fastballs for the next hitter. Stolen bases also eliminate double play situations and easy force outs to end innings. Seems to be much more likely to score a man from second than from first, as well. Again, not saying anything about Crawford, but I think a guy that can steal can be disruptive to an opponent and help an offense for that reason.

[Never Outhustled]

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Guys that steal do disrupt the pitcher and can lead to poor pitching and nice fastballs for the next hitter.

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Theres been a good amount of research done on this theory, but none of it is very conclusive. Your idea is logical, but the numbers suggest the basestealer may be just as much a distraction for the batter as the pitcher.

 

I agree that steals have a value, but a single and a steal is definately not as good as a double. If player A and player B were similar hitters but 1 was a prolific basestealer, I'd definately choose the basestealer. However, in the case were discussing here, the 2 players are not even close as hitters in the portion of the season were entering now.

[JoeHova]

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I don't see any way that Jenks is a better all-around ballplayer than Crawford.

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Both are excellent defenders, if I recall my fielding bible correctly. I don't think the steals are worth replacing a guy who is already good and giving up other assets.

 

If we are going to empty the farm for some player, I'd rather it be for a legit star player, not a wannabe like Crawford. I just don't think the trade makes sense. If the Brewers want great speed and defense out of an outfielder, pick up Corey Patterson for peanuts from Baltimore and use him as a pinch runner. Or heck, call up Darren Ford on August 31st if speed is that big of a concern.

[shelmark]

How exactly do you research the effect of a base stealer on the mentality of the pitcher? I'm not disputing that it has been done or questioning you, it just seems strange.