Estimates on arby raises? Anyone?

[Fatter than Joey]

I know he isn't Ryan Howard, but it is one year later and baseball inflation was probably 10% last year.

 

Basically how the Arby's process works -- is that one side submits a number and the player's side submits a number, and then the Arbysnator, picks one number or the other, not some sort of midway point.

 

So, if this happened

 

Prince offer: $14M

DM offer: $1M

 

The Arbysnator would award Arby's to Prince, not because Prince's number is a fair reasonable figure, but because it is more reasonable than DM's.

 

To some degree, I believe that is what happened with Ryan Howard -- It was not that some Arbysnator thought that Howard was a $10M player, rather $10M was more reasonable than what the Phillies put on the table.

 

So in conclusion, I really don't think it is apt to look at Howard's situation as some sort of benchmark.

[Fatter than Joey]

I know he isn't Ryan Howard, but it is one year later and baseball inflation was probably 10% last year.

 

Basically how the Arby's process works -- is that one side submits a number and the player's side submits a number, and then the Arbysnator, picks one number or the other, not some sort of midway point.

 

So, if this happened

 

Prince offer: $14M

DM offer: $1M

 

The Arbysnator would award Arby's to Prince, not because Prince's number is a fair reasonable figure, but because it is more reasonable than DM's.

 

To some degree, I believe that is what happened with Ryan Howard -- It was not that some Arbysnator thought that Howard was a $10M player, rather $10M was more reasonable than what the Phillies put on the table.

 

So in conclusion, I really don't think it is apt to look at Howard's situation as some sort of benchmark.

[Fatter than Joey]

I know he isn't Ryan Howard, but it is one year later and baseball inflation was probably 10% last year.

 

Basically how the Arby's process works -- is that one side submits a number and the player's side submits a number, and then the Arbysnator, picks one number or the other, not some sort of midway point.

 

So, if this happened

 

Prince offer: $14M

DM offer: $1M

 

The Arbysnator would award Arby's to Prince, not because Prince's number is a fair reasonable figure, but because it is more reasonable than DM's.

 

To some degree, I believe that is what happened with Ryan Howard -- It was not that some Arbysnator thought that Howard was a $10M player, rather $10M was more reasonable than what the Phillies put on the table.

 

So in conclusion, I really don't think it is apt to look at Howard's situation as some sort of benchmark.

[monty57]

I believe Hart and Fielder are both in their 1st year of arby. As others have stated, Fielder shouldn't get Ryan Howard money, and I expect $6-7MM for him. It will be interesting to see what he makes, as he isn't a ROY, MVP or perennial all-star. He did have a 50 HR season, but that was followed by 34 last year. His two year averages on the stats I believe are important in arby are 42 HR, 110 RBI, .282 avg. I don't know how much they take defense into consideration, but that would be a knock against him. I really think that Prince could be a case that goes to arby, as Prince / Boras will probably ask for the moon and not negotiate down. It could get kind of ugly.

 

Since Hardy was around $2.5MM this year, I'd expect Hart to be in the $2-3MM range. In his first year, Hardy was also coming off an All-Star season, put up better overall numbers than Hart and plays a tougher position. Hart's 22HR, 86 RBI, .280 batting average aren't that great of two-year averages for a RF. The 23 SB's each year will help him. I'd think he'd be paid less than Hardy made this year.

[monty57]

I believe Hart and Fielder are both in their 1st year of arby. As others have stated, Fielder shouldn't get Ryan Howard money, and I expect $6-7MM for him. It will be interesting to see what he makes, as he isn't a ROY, MVP or perennial all-star. He did have a 50 HR season, but that was followed by 34 last year. His two year averages on the stats I believe are important in arby are 42 HR, 110 RBI, .282 avg. I don't know how much they take defense into consideration, but that would be a knock against him. I really think that Prince could be a case that goes to arby, as Prince / Boras will probably ask for the moon and not negotiate down. It could get kind of ugly.

 

Since Hardy was around $2.5MM this year, I'd expect Hart to be in the $2-3MM range. In his first year, Hardy was also coming off an All-Star season, put up better overall numbers than Hart and plays a tougher position. Hart's 22HR, 86 RBI, .280 batting average aren't that great of two-year averages for a RF. The 23 SB's each year will help him. I'd think he'd be paid less than Hardy made this year.

[monty57]

I believe Hart and Fielder are both in their 1st year of arby. As others have stated, Fielder shouldn't get Ryan Howard money, and I expect $6-7MM for him. It will be interesting to see what he makes, as he isn't a ROY, MVP or perennial all-star. He did have a 50 HR season, but that was followed by 34 last year. His two year averages on the stats I believe are important in arby are 42 HR, 110 RBI, .282 avg. I don't know how much they take defense into consideration, but that would be a knock against him. I really think that Prince could be a case that goes to arby, as Prince / Boras will probably ask for the moon and not negotiate down. It could get kind of ugly.

 

Since Hardy was around $2.5MM this year, I'd expect Hart to be in the $2-3MM range. In his first year, Hardy was also coming off an All-Star season, put up better overall numbers than Hart and plays a tougher position. Hart's 22HR, 86 RBI, .280 batting average aren't that great of two-year averages for a RF. The 23 SB's each year will help him. I'd think he'd be paid less than Hardy made this year.

[monty57]

I believe Hart and Fielder are both in their 1st year of arby. As others have stated, Fielder shouldn't get Ryan Howard money, and I expect $6-7MM for him. It will be interesting to see what he makes, as he isn't a ROY, MVP or perennial all-star. He did have a 50 HR season, but that was followed by 34 last year. His two year averages on the stats I believe are important in arby are 42 HR, 110 RBI, .282 avg. I don't know how much they take defense into consideration, but that would be a knock against him. I really think that Prince could be a case that goes to arby, as Prince / Boras will probably ask for the moon and not negotiate down. It could get kind of ugly.

 

Since Hardy was around $2.5MM this year, I'd expect Hart to be in the $2-3MM range. In his first year, Hardy was also coming off an All-Star season, put up better overall numbers than Hart and plays a tougher position. Hart's 22HR, 86 RBI, .280 batting average aren't that great of two-year averages for a RF. The 23 SB's each year will help him. I'd think he'd be paid less than Hardy made this year.

[Invader3K]

It wouldn't surprise me if Fielder is the only one who actually ends up going to arby. Maybe with Hardy taking a one year deal, some of the others will do likewise. Boras probably won't let it _not_ go to arbitration, though.

[Invader3K]

It wouldn't surprise me if Fielder is the only one who actually ends up going to arby. Maybe with Hardy taking a one year deal, some of the others will do likewise. Boras probably won't let it _not_ go to arbitration, though.

[Invader3K]

It wouldn't surprise me if Fielder is the only one who actually ends up going to arby. Maybe with Hardy taking a one year deal, some of the others will do likewise. Boras probably won't let it _not_ go to arbitration, though.

[Invader3K]

It wouldn't surprise me if Fielder is the only one who actually ends up going to arby. Maybe with Hardy taking a one year deal, some of the others will do likewise. Boras probably won't let it _not_ go to arbitration, though.

[JohnBriggs12]

Hart isn't going to get more than $3.5 million if that.

How much is an all-star game appearance worth in arby hearings? Anything?

All Star games mean nothing when you follow it up by going .239/.263/.396 with just 5 HR in 255 AB's the rest of the way.

[JohnBriggs12]

Hart isn't going to get more than $3.5 million if that.

How much is an all-star game appearance worth in arby hearings? Anything?

All Star games mean nothing when you follow it up by going .239/.263/.396 with just 5 HR in 255 AB's the rest of the way.

[JohnBriggs12]

Hart isn't going to get more than $3.5 million if that.

How much is an all-star game appearance worth in arby hearings? Anything?

All Star games mean nothing when you follow it up by going .239/.263/.396 with just 5 HR in 255 AB's the rest of the way.

[JohnBriggs12]

Hart isn't going to get more than $3.5 million if that.

How much is an all-star game appearance worth in arby hearings? Anything?

All Star games mean nothing when you follow it up by going .239/.263/.396 with just 5 HR in 255 AB's the rest of the way.

[monty57]

In real life and in trade value, the All-Star game means nothing. In arby, I think they do take it into consideration. Kind of like winning an Oscar. It doesn't mean you're a better actor than someone else, but you'll probably get paid more for your next role.

[monty57]

In real life and in trade value, the All-Star game means nothing. In arby, I think they do take it into consideration. Kind of like winning an Oscar. It doesn't mean you're a better actor than someone else, but you'll probably get paid more for your next role.

[monty57]

In real life and in trade value, the All-Star game means nothing. In arby, I think they do take it into consideration. Kind of like winning an Oscar. It doesn't mean you're a better actor than someone else, but you'll probably get paid more for your next role.

[monty57]

In real life and in trade value, the All-Star game means nothing. In arby, I think they do take it into consideration. Kind of like winning an Oscar. It doesn't mean you're a better actor than someone else, but you'll probably get paid more for your next role.

[Roderick]

So in conclusion, I really don't think it is apt to look at Howard's situation as some sort of benchmark.

I know the arbitrator picks one number or the other.

 

Can the fact that Howard may not have won his case if the Phillies would have offered $8M last year come into play in the thoughts of the arbitrator? It seems like that is water under the bridge at this point and the fact was that Howard got $10M.

 

And if Howard's pay isn't thought of to be excessive, why wouldn't the fact that Howard got paid $10M come up in the arby hearing? They are so comparable in position played, type of player (slugger), and age/arbitration status that it would be absurd to assume that Boras wouldn't play the Howard card. Boras, "Fielder is just one slight notch below this very, very comparable player that received $10M last year". I would think a reasonable salary for my client for this next year would be $9M.

 

But I admit I know nothing regarding baseball arbitration, but in other types of arbitration comparables are used all the time.

[Roderick]

So in conclusion, I really don't think it is apt to look at Howard's situation as some sort of benchmark.

I know the arbitrator picks one number or the other.

 

Can the fact that Howard may not have won his case if the Phillies would have offered $8M last year come into play in the thoughts of the arbitrator? It seems like that is water under the bridge at this point and the fact was that Howard got $10M.

 

And if Howard's pay isn't thought of to be excessive, why wouldn't the fact that Howard got paid $10M come up in the arby hearing? They are so comparable in position played, type of player (slugger), and age/arbitration status that it would be absurd to assume that Boras wouldn't play the Howard card. Boras, "Fielder is just one slight notch below this very, very comparable player that received $10M last year". I would think a reasonable salary for my client for this next year would be $9M.

 

But I admit I know nothing regarding baseball arbitration, but in other types of arbitration comparables are used all the time.

[Roderick]

So in conclusion, I really don't think it is apt to look at Howard's situation as some sort of benchmark.

I know the arbitrator picks one number or the other.

 

Can the fact that Howard may not have won his case if the Phillies would have offered $8M last year come into play in the thoughts of the arbitrator? It seems like that is water under the bridge at this point and the fact was that Howard got $10M.

 

And if Howard's pay isn't thought of to be excessive, why wouldn't the fact that Howard got paid $10M come up in the arby hearing? They are so comparable in position played, type of player (slugger), and age/arbitration status that it would be absurd to assume that Boras wouldn't play the Howard card. Boras, "Fielder is just one slight notch below this very, very comparable player that received $10M last year". I would think a reasonable salary for my client for this next year would be $9M.

 

But I admit I know nothing regarding baseball arbitration, but in other types of arbitration comparables are used all the time.

[Roderick]

So in conclusion, I really don't think it is apt to look at Howard's situation as some sort of benchmark.

I know the arbitrator picks one number or the other.

 

Can the fact that Howard may not have won his case if the Phillies would have offered $8M last year come into play in the thoughts of the arbitrator? It seems like that is water under the bridge at this point and the fact was that Howard got $10M.

 

And if Howard's pay isn't thought of to be excessive, why wouldn't the fact that Howard got paid $10M come up in the arby hearing? They are so comparable in position played, type of player (slugger), and age/arbitration status that it would be absurd to assume that Boras wouldn't play the Howard card. Boras, "Fielder is just one slight notch below this very, very comparable player that received $10M last year". I would think a reasonable salary for my client for this next year would be $9M.

 

But I admit I know nothing regarding baseball arbitration, but in other types of arbitration comparables are used all the time.

[Roderick]

monty57 wrote:

Since Hardy was around $2.5MM this year, I'd expect Hart to be in the $2-3MM range. In his first year, Hardy was also coming off an All-Star season, put up better overall numbers than Hart and plays a tougher position. Hart's 22HR, 86 RBI, .280 batting average aren't that great of two-year averages for a RF. The 23 SB's each year will help him. I'd think he'd be paid less than Hardy made this year.

Makes sense. Tack on baseball inflation to Hardy's $2.65M voluntarily signed first year in arby, would put Hart around $2.9M.

[Roderick]

monty57 wrote:

Since Hardy was around $2.5MM this year, I'd expect Hart to be in the $2-3MM range. In his first year, Hardy was also coming off an All-Star season, put up better overall numbers than Hart and plays a tougher position. Hart's 22HR, 86 RBI, .280 batting average aren't that great of two-year averages for a RF. The 23 SB's each year will help him. I'd think he'd be paid less than Hardy made this year.

Makes sense. Tack on baseball inflation to Hardy's $2.65M voluntarily signed first year in arby, would put Hart around $2.9M.