Fielder trade idea

[rousieboy]

This is not necessarily for more pitching. It has salary dump elements, avoiding Fielder's arbitration for Zimmerman's, and adding a Wisconsin boy in the process.

 

 

Sign Dunn to a 2 year deal...Trade Salome/Suppan/PFielder/Iribarren to WSN for Ryan Zimm, Jordan Zimm, and MO'Connor.

 

Plenty of reasons that it will never happen, but it would benefit both squads.

 

Signing Sheets to a incentive laden deal would not be so bad after that...

[southpaw121505]

i like zimmerman a lot but i think we can get much more for that package and if we cant id rather keep fielder

[PaulRigdon]

What about sending fielder to Boston? Fielder, Suppan + for Bucholtz, Ellsbury and Lowell. Then we trade Cameron for Swisher. WOW! This trade immediately makes us a contender for years to come. It also gives us the ability to extend Hart and Hardy.

 

Ellsbury-CF

Hardy-SS

Braun-LF

Swisher-1st

Hart-RF

Lowell-3rd

Weeks-2nd

Kendall-C

Rotation-

Gallardo

Bucholtz

Parra

Bush

McClung

 

Throw Sheets into the mix as well as I think we are going to resign him.

[Pudster13]

Suppan has negative trade value. I guess the Red Sox would want to pay him $12M+ a year to be their 7th starter, and have no centerfielder.

[PaulRigdon]

It would be a lowell for suppan wash

[TheCrew07]

I've never been a big Suppan fan, but how does he have negative trade value. He's still a roughly league average pitcher getting league average deal and he does pitch quite a few innings. I fully to expect him begin sliding, which is one of the reasons I was never that high on the signing, but until he begins to slide significantly when healthy it's tough to claim he has negative value. Granted his salary escalates a couple mil, but not enough that he's grossly overpaid by league standards.

 

I'll agree that he and pitchers like him have negative value to the Brewers, but that's another discussion entirely and one which the community has beat to death.

[rousieboy]

It might not be enough return for the Brewers but GMs have rationalized trades that freed up cash for FA's before...you could also add Dunn in as part of this trade as well...and if Sheets followed then he would be figured in there too.

 

Suppan, Salome, Iribarren, Fielder for JZimm, Ryan Zimm, and OConnor + Dunn and Sheets...not too shabby.

 

WSN would take on Supp's salary and need a starter as Redding will most likely go elsewhere. It makes sense for them if they get Fielder in the process. Ryan Zimm is a really good 3B and if AEscobar moves in at SS next year then that side of the infield will be pretty slick with the leather.

 

For MLW this deal brings in a young kid that might be an ace, Jordan Zimmerman...so it keeps MLW in the race and also helps with young pitching...

[BADGERJOBOB]

Through CBS sportsline rumors section there is an article from a Boston writer that says a Boston trade for Fielder makes a whole lot of sense for the Sox. Its a move for Boston to negate the Yanks/Tex move. The article mentions Clay Bucholz as a starting point along with some additional young talent. Since I don't see this team making any more major moves this year, we should seriously consider this trade for 2010 and beyond. Need to somehow get Jacoby Ellsbury into this deal.

[StearnsFTW]

Highway robbery by the Brewers in the original deal.

 

Ryan Zimmerman and Prince are comaparable. Irribaren is worthless. Suppan is worthless if not slightly negative.

 

Jordan Zimmerman is worth way more than Salome.

[sheetskout]

I cannot wait until this "trade Fielder" rhetoric ends once he hits like 40+ bombs in 09'. With a smile on his face I might add.....

[And That]

Fielder will be that much more valuable in the trade market if and after he hits 40+ bombs in '09. I think there's about a 99% chance the Brewers trade Fielder before he gets to free agency. They'll get a ton of value for Fielder (no fat pun intended) in the trade market if he's healthy and performing, whereas they get a couple picks if he leaves. I get the feeling that trade won't occur until next offseason, so yah, I hope he hits at least 40 bombs, and hits .290. The more trade value the merrier.

[Ennder]

Highway robbery by the Brewers in the original deal.

 

Ryan Zimmerman and Prince are comaparable. Irribaren is worthless. Suppan is worthless if not slightly negative.

 

Jordan Zimmerman is worth way more than Salome.

You obviously don't understand how valuable the C position is if you believe this.

 

Irribaren is worthless though and Suppan is only valuable to a contending team who lost a SP during the season most likely, so I don't fully disagree with you. Zimmerman and Fielder are pretty equal given the major health concerns with Zimmerman at this point.

 

The big problem with trading Fielder is he isn't really worth more than Dunn at 1B and any team that wants to trade for Fielder can just sign Dunn at this point.

[logan82]

I've never been a big Suppan fan, but how does he have negative trade value. He's still a roughly league average pitcher getting league average deal and he does pitch quite a few innings.

I am not sure his deal is market value anymore. At the time of the contract he got a league average deal, but similar guys don't seem to be getting as good or as long of deals this offseason. It just doesn't seem like any teams are willing to take on money right now.

[rousieboy]

Ennder wrote:

 

The big problem with trading Fielder is he isn't really worth more than Dunn at 1B and any team that wants to trade for Fielder can just sign Dunn at this point.

Ennder you are almost right...Bowden and WSN cannot sign Dunn because the big guy doesn't want to play there. PFielder, if traded, will go to DC.

 

Iribarren has little value to us but more to WSN and their situation at second base considering they just traded their most available/gifted talent at 2B as part of the Olsen trade. Belliard could play well all year, but maybe HI is worth a look to Bowden. For MLW it frees up a 40 man roster spot for another pitcher.

 

PF will be traded before he hits the market...this year we need some players to fill the gaps, that is why this was floated...

[StearnsFTW]

Highway robbery by the Brewers in the original deal.

 

Ryan Zimmerman and Prince are comaparable. Irribaren is worthless. Suppan is worthless if not slightly negative.

 

Jordan Zimmerman is worth way more than Salome.

You obviously don't understand how valuable the C position is if you believe this.

 

Irribaren is worthless though and Suppan is only valuable to a contending team who lost a SP during the season most likely, so I don't fully disagree with you. Zimmerman and Fielder are pretty equal given the major health concerns with Zimmerman at this point.

 

The big problem with trading Fielder is he isn't really worth more than Dunn at 1B and any team that wants to trade for Fielder can just sign Dunn at this point.

 

I completely understand the value of catchers. Particularly catchers who can play defense. J. Zimmerman is a 1-2 type pitcher, which is worth far more than a catcher who is a defensive liability. Neither is proven on any level above AA, but I'm pretty sure DM would make that deal straight up in about a nanosecond.

[Ennder]

Ok then we just disagree on the range of the prospects. I think Zimmerman is a B type prospect that projects as more of a #3 starter and not a top end guy.

[StearnsFTW]

Fair enough. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. I am also significantly less high on Salome than a lot of people are. If he can't play catcher (and there's a real chance he can't), he can't play anywhere.

[nate82]

This trade dies with the Brewers sending Suppan to the Nationals. The Brewers would have to pay the majority of Suppan's contract for this trade to even work. With the Brewers paying for majority of Suppan's contract it doesn't make sense for the Brewers to do that. Suppan would be more valuable pitching for the Brewers than the Brewers trading Suppan away and paying for a majority of his contract. If the Brewers were the Yankees or another high market team it wouldn't be a problem.

[Ennder]

Was reading BPro today and they had the nats top prospects so here is what they said about Zimmerman.

 

4 star prospect

Perfect World Projection: He'll be very good third starter.

Glass Half Empty: Most think that's a pretty safe bet, so at worst he should be a fourth or fifth starter.

The Bad: It's hard to criticize Zimmermann other than to point out that he's not exactly dominant. All of his pitches are good, but he lacks that one knockout offering to project as an upper-tier talent

 

http://www.baseballprospe...rticle.php?articleid=8434

 

 

Salome also came in as a 4 star. I still think they are pretty even though Zimmerman is probably more of a sure thing.

[RockCoCougars]

Suppan most definitely has negative trade value. The ONLY way that I think Suppan could be moved would be either:

 

A. For a comparable horrible contract..... pretty tough to find one (Gary Matthews, Jr., maybe)

B. If the Brewers paid a significant chunk of his salary (at least two thirds)

C. If the Brewers included a "blue chip" guy like Fielder or good prospects, taking low value in return

 

I don't see any of the three happening. Simply put, if Suppan was a free agent this year, he'd probably get 2-3 million on a one year deal tops, meaning he's overpaid by$9-$10 million this year, with an eight figure guaranteed contract next year. Even if he is "league average" like many here claim, it's hard to argue that he's not exponentially overpaid.

[StearnsFTW]

Was reading BPro today and they had the nats top prospects so here is what they said about Zimmerman.

 

4 star prospect

Perfect World Projection: He'll be very good third starter.

Glass Half Empty: Most think that's a pretty safe bet, so at worst he should be a fourth or fifth starter.

The Bad: It's hard to criticize Zimmermann other than to point out that he's not exactly dominant. All of his pitches are good, but he lacks that one knockout offering to project as an upper-tier talent

 

http://www.baseballprospe...rticle.php?articleid=8434

 

 

Salome also came in as a 4 star. I still think they are pretty even though Zimmerman is probably more of a sure thing.

Hmm......I find the high end a little low. I'm a little surprised...I would put his upside as a good #2, but these guys certainly know more than I do.