Cameron for Melky Cabrera? Nick Swisher?

[twobrewers]

If Mike Cameron played another year for the Brewers - is it possible that he might be a Type A free agent after this season? (Or even a B?)

[bklynbrewcrew]

Cameron would definitely be at least a type B and I think there is a decent chance he would be a type A. This is just one more reason why trading him straight up for melky counsell makes no sense.

[DHonks]

After looking Kei Igawa's stats in the minors, I'd definitely love to have him. http://minors.baseball-re...com/players.cgi?pid=34687

 

Igawa $4 million per year (3 years)

Cabrera

 

for

 

Hall $6.8 million, $8.4 million +buyout

Cameron $10 million

 

I'd be willing to throw in a little money to equalize Hall and Igawa's 2009 salaries. The Brewers would still be $9.5 million ahead for 2009 and would likely be $4.4 million ahead for 2010.

 

Igawa's age and numbers give me reason to think he can be a solid pitcher with an ERA of around 4. His K:BB and WHIP are very good.

[Brian the Automator]

Igawa's age and numbers give me reason to think he can be a solid pitcher with an ERA of around 4. His K:BB and WHIP are very good.

Dunno, Marcel's projecting him to put up a 5.15 ERA... You could maybe take a half-run away from that with a shift to the NL at best... He's not a bad guy to take a flyer on, but only if the Yankees insisted on taking a "bad contract" back.

[brettac1]

I think Igawa's stuff is just poor. I think he is kind of a AAAA guy.

[bklynbrewcrew]

I think Igawa's stuff is just poor. I think he is kind of a AAAA guy.

 

This quote sums it up for me. Ive seen Igawa pitch several times and I can say that he is definitely AAAA quality. Melvin would have to be out of his mind to take Igawa unless the yankees pay his entire contract. 12 mil for 3 yrs of Igawa is a complete waste of money. There is little to no doubt in my mind that this trade is nothing more than a salary dump and that Attanassio has been killed by the falling stock market. I dont expect the team to spend any real money this offseason which is a shame but thats how I see things.

[DHonks]

bklynbrewcrew, as of now our payroll is at roughly $60 million...that's VERY real money.

 

I was viewing Igawa as being quite possibly more productive than Hall, especially given that he's a bit cheaper.

[fleehaw]

DHonks, I'm in agreement with you under the right circumstances. I posted something similar a few pages back. Igawa, whether he's a AAAA or better provides depth at SP. Something which the Brewers currently lack.

 

Accurate or not, it seems like the Yankees want the Brewers to eat some salary. I'd rather take Igawa with some cash versus just sending money to the Yankees.

 

A couple of options I would be alright with:

 

Cameron for Cabrera, 2nd player/prospect, Igawa and half of Igawa's salary ($6M over 3 years). The Yankees still come out ahead $6M.

 

Cameron and Hall for Cabrera, Kennedy, and Igawa.

 

Igawa as a #6 SP has some value to the Brewers (for the right price). Igawa currently doesn't have any value to the Yankees.

[Invader3K]

There is little to no doubt in my mind that this trade is nothing more than a salary dump and that Attanassio has been killed by the falling stock market.

You've got nothing to base this on, and has been pointed out, it's not like the players salaries are coming out of Attanasio's pocket, or being funded by his other buisnesses.

[splitterpfj]

George King, of the New York Post, reports the following overnight....

 

The Yankees and Brewers continue to haggle over how much of the $12 million due to Kei Igawa for the next three seasons the Yankees will swallow in order to complete the swap of Mike Cameron for Melky Cabrera. Mel

The Brewers are moving Cameron and his $10 million salary in order to restock their pitching staff that lost Sabathia and likely will lose Ben Sheets. So, the Brewers don't want to pay Igawa $4 million of the $10 million they are saving by dealing Cameron.

Because the Yankees have told the Brewers they cannot have any of pitchers on their 40-man roster, Igawa is the best the Brewers can do.

Brewers asked for Phil Coke, Jose Veras and Mark Melancon and quickly were told no.

Each side expects the deal to get done eventually.

http://www.nypost.com/sev...rives_tomorrow_144123.htm

 

[brewjihad]

Because the Yankees have told the Brewers they cannot have any of pitchers on their 40-man roster, Igawa is the best the Brewers can do.

 

Brewers asked for Phil Coke, Jose Veras and Mark Melancon and quickly were told no.

 

I'm confused here. I don't object to trading Cameron for Cabrera and a pitcher. But if the Yankees don't want to give us a decent pitcher, why make the deal? Just hang onto Cam for a while, he'll have plenty of value later. If we're taking a worse pitcher and paying more money for him, I can't understand why Doug is so anxious to get this done. They either have to cover all of Igawa's salary, give us a better pitcher, or no deal.

 

I really don't think this is how the negotiations went. Doug: We want one of these 3 players. Cashman: You cannot have them, here, take our worse player that is due a lot of money. Doug: OK. Now let's bicker about how much of the money you will pay for him. We'll wrap this up Monday.

 

It is the New York Post, though. I'm not going to get too worked up about anything until it's official.

[Invader3K]

Wouldn't it make more sense to include Bill Hall in the deal then, so the money the Brewers would be taking on with Igawa isn't a big factor?

[PeaveyFury]

If we're taking a worse pitcher and paying more money for him, I can't understand why Doug is so anxious to get this done.

 

I don't think Doug is anxious to make the deal as proposed, which is why it has hit a snag and doesn't seem nearly anywhere close to imminent as it did on Thursday.

[TooLiveBrew]

Just feels like the ultimate case of making a trade for trading's sake. Igawa is owed $4M per year through 2011. He did well at Triple-A... shouldn't he have? It was his age-28 season. I just can't believe that this is a deal Melvin wants to pursue.

[trwi7]

Tell the Yankees to pound sand if they're not going to give us a decent pitcher.

[BrewCrewForever]

I hope they just forget Igawa and Hall in the deal and just do Cameron for Cabrera straight up.

[bklynbrewcrew]

There is little to no doubt in my mind that this trade is nothing more than a salary dump and that Attanassio has been killed by the falling stock market.

You've got nothing to base this on, and has been pointed out, it's not like the players salaries are coming out of Attanasio's pocket, or being funded by his other buisnesses.

I have plenty to base this on. I work in the business and know firsthand how everyone is suffering. It is not possible to be in the money management business and to have not suffered losses the last few months. The Brewers are one of many teams that are cutting payroll due to the economy. This trade cannot be explained away as anything other than a pure salary dump. Taking back Igawa makes no sense at all for this reason since he is due 12 mil over the next 3 years and he is a complete stiff.

[logan82]

bklynbrewcrew wrote:

The Brewers are one of many teams that are cutting payroll due to the economy.

Maybe because the teams are anticipating a drop in revenues and attendance. Like other have said, the Brewers more than likely operate independently of the rest of Mark's businesses.

[TuesdaysWithRillo]

I'm canceling my season tickets if this trade goes through.

[BrewCrewForever]

I'm canceling my season tickets if this trade goes through.

Really trading Mike Cameron is going to send you over the edge to do that?

[PeaveyFury]

Tom speculates in his latest blog that if Igawa is included in the trade, the Yankees would eat at least some of his contract. Doug expects talks to resume Monday:

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/36138289.html

[bklynbrewcrew]

What exactly do the Brewers see in Igawa? The guy has been a complete failure each chance he has gotten in the majors. Its not like the guy has great stuff and is young and unpolished. He is 28 and his stuff is lackluster to say the least. The yankees fans I know have been laughing at me for days about this and I cant exactly argue. I wouldnt want Igawa on a minor league contract much less paying him several mil per year. The yankees are desperate for a CF and for us to receive anything less than Ian kennedy makes me really question what Melvin is thinking.

[piccione88]

I cannot imagine the Brewers see anything in Igawa. If the yankees require us to eat some of Cameron's salary in order to get one of their top 20 prospects included in the deal, Igawa with the yankees paying half of his salary could be a good alternative to Melvin paying some of Cameron's salary.

[jwill535]

I cannot imagine the Brewers see anything in Igawa. If the yankees require us to eat some of Cameron's salary in order to get one of their top 20 prospects included in the deal, Igawa with the yankees paying half of his salary could be a good alternative to Melvin paying some of Cameron's salary.

I agree, if the Yankees are going to eat half in not more of the salary then I dont see the harm in this. A change of scenery and an "easier" league may be just what is needed.

[TooLiveBrew]

The yankees fans I know have been laughing at me for days about this and I cant exactly argue.

 

Yeah, my gf is a diehard Yanks fan, and she's telling me how she'd love this proposed deal if the other team wasn't the Brewers (she's a Crew fan too). Basically she feels like this would be totally fleecing the Brewers, and how can you really disagree with that?