Cameron for Melky Cabrera? Nick Swisher?

[aracko]

Nothing would make me happier than Homberto Sanchez.

[StearnsFTW]

I think Melvin is looking more for a starter type than a reliever like J.B. Cox, or Kevin Wheelan. Probably the prospect would be in between Wheelan, and Kennedy. Some starting prospects that the yankees have that could interest the Brewers are Daniel McCutchen, Jeff Marquez, and Humberto Sanchez.

I would love to get Sanchez.......Whelan would be good too.

 

Marquez is on the White Sox (Swisher deal).

[jwill535]

Sanchez was suppose to be part of the mysterious Detroit offer for Carlos Lee. He went the the Yankees the next year and has had shoulder problems ever since.

[StearnsFTW]

The thing that is interesting to me here is that Doug might be rushing to get this deal done to get Cam's money off the books so he can be a FA player.

 

While it's a good idea imo to get into the FA market early rather than late, I hope he doesn't make a bad deal because of a perceived need to rush it.

[brettac1]

I would say he doesn't need to hurry. Much like with the big name pitchers waiting for CC to set the market, the hitters are waiting for Tex.

[StearnsFTW]

Agree. I was thinking more of Fuentes. Probably wishfully thinking.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

Is there any reason we wouldn't want to give the Yankees Hall as well? I'd trade him for a bag of balls if we didn't have eat his bloated salary.

 

How about Cam, Hall, and $5m for Cab, Ian Kennedy, and Cano

[SeriesFinale]

Is there any reason we wouldn't want to give the Yankees Hall as well? I'd trade him for a bag of balls if we didn't have eat his bloated salary.

 

How about Cam, Hall, and $5m for Cab, Ian Kennedy, and Cano

Was this supposed to be in blue

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

No....... not in blue

Cab is a throw-in

Cano, the Yankes have soured on

Ian Kennedy is good

 

Camerson has value (plus we eat $5m) to get Ian Kennedy

We throw in Bill Hall because they for whatever reason want him.

[Turnbowsaves24]

Cam for Cabrera and Coke would be a fair trade

[sbrylski]

I wonder why Coke wasn't challenged more in the minors. He did well at all his stops, but he was always a bit old for his level.

 

He's definitely not a LOOGY though, he's been pretty balanced v both LH and RH hitters throughout his minor league career.

[twobrewers]

Haudricourt, on Homer, indicated that he thought the Yankees would expect the Brewers to pay part of Hall's salary.

[logan82]

I don't want to trade Cameron and gain nothing for 2010. If we are going to trade Cameron I would rather get a pitcher in return than another CF. I don't think we should spend whatever we save in payroll from the deal on another pitcher. FA pitchers are in general going to be very expensive. The contract is going to look ugly within a couple years. We do need more payroll flexibility, but what sense would it make to gain that by trading Cameron and then turn around and lose the flexibility we gain this off season along with flexibility next year and possibly the next as well? We need pitching and trading Cameron means expecting a down year in 2009 in my mind.

[Moose Wallbanger]

Not sure I like what i am about to propose but the Brewers need to do something about this pitching problem. I am HIGHLY concerned about the Brewers ability to compete with Gallardo and Parra as the aces.

These are all predicated on each other happening. Let's try this grand scheme:

• Trade Fielder and Cameron for Hughes, Kennedy, Cano and Cabrera
• Trade Weeks, Parra and TGJ for Peavy (assuming he'd waive that no trade clause). Assuming this will get it done after what the Cubs were proposing.
• Sign Adam Dunn to play 1st (Lots of Ks, lots of BBs, lots of HRs)
• Gamel/Hall platoon at 3B

Gives us this lineup:
CF Cabrera
2B Cano
LF Braun
1B Dunn
RF Hart
SS Hardy
3B Gamel/Hall
C Kendall

SP Peavy
SP Gallardo
SP Hughes
SP Kennedy
SP Bush

[sbrylski]

I don't want to trade Cameron and gain nothing for 2010. If we are going to trade Cameron I would rather get a pitcher in return than another CF. I don't think we should spend whatever we save in payroll from the deal on another pitcher. FA pitchers are in general going to be very expensive. The contract is going to look ugly within a couple years.

 

I think the downgrade from Cameron to Melky would be about equal to the upgrade a guy like Fuentes would provide. Sure, we give the payroll flexibility right back, but we gain longer player control, plus potential in Melky, as well as a decent pitching prospect. So if those two moves are dependent on each other, I think the overall dealings would be successful.

 

As for starting pitching, I think if we can't net a Johnson or Moyer to a very short contract, we just have to bite the bullet and shed a prospect to get the SP we need, hopefully one under control for a few season and/or cheaper than market.

[Invader3K]

What would you do with Suppan?

[fleehaw]

Could someone explain some posters' apparent growing fascination with Cano?

 

IIRC, his defense is worse than Weeks. His OPS last season was .715 (.803 career), and he's owed $25M over the next 3 years with a $2M buyout for '12. In addition, he's walked only 99 times in 2218 career ABs.

 

On the other hand, Weeks had a .740 OPS last season (.758 career), and he'll probably make under $10M over the next 3 years. He's walked 215 times in 1615 career ABs.

 

Cano seems to be similar to Bill Hall in that he signed a big contract and isn't putting up numbers anywhere close to deserving it. At least Hall plays a mean 3B.

[StearnsFTW]

It puzzles me as well. I wouldn't trade Weeks for Cano straight up for the reasons you outlined.

[Principessa21]

No....... not in blue

Cab is a throw-in

Cano, the Yankes have soured on

Ian Kennedy is good

 

Camerson has value (plus we eat $5m) to get Ian Kennedy

We throw in Bill Hall because they for whatever reason want him.

Where did you read the Yankees soured on Cano? He's not going anywhere.

 

When I first read that the trade was straight up Cameron for Cabrera, I kinda cringed. It felt like the Yankees were robbing a bank, or maybe more like an Arbys. Melky was at least average in the field, with a great arm, but was terrible at the plate. It might not be an upgrade for the Yanks defensively, but it would be offensively. The Yankees are very concerned about their offense, so I don't know how anyone could chose a platoon of Cabrera and Gardner over Cameron. And in a couple years the Yankees have a top prospect coming up, so Cameron makes perfect sense as a stop gap. I hope the Yankees make this happen, unless they need the money to sign Teixeira. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[dpapo]

Listened to the Haudricourt interview again and he believes there's an 80% chance this deal gets down in 24 hours and a 99.9% this deal gets done at some point. I knew I heard something about this deal being about 99% likely to happen.

As far as Hall being a part of it. Haudricourt said the Yankees asked the Brewers about Hall as they are looking for a backup, right hand, hitting utility player who could back up Rodriquez, Jeter and Cano. So the interest in Hall was just as a utility player. However, along with probably expecting the Brewers to pay part of Hall's salary, the Yankees wanted to the Brewers to take Kei Igawa and his remaining contract of 3 years and $12 million. That pretty much ended the Hall part of the talks as far as that goes.

[PeaveyFury]

Tom H's latest update says the details are being worked out, mainly talks about a second player coming back to the Brewers. Talks will resume Friday:

 

http://www.jsonline.com/s...ts/brewers/36024599.html#

 

With the usually close-to-the-vest Melvin openly saying that the deal is a "strong possibility", this deal is surely going to happen in some form, IMO.

[edod]

Who is Coke?

[Pudster13]

Max Headroom

[TooLiveBrew]

Phil Coke is a hard-throwing LHRP, listed at 6'1" 210 lbs. 2009 will be his age-26 season.

 

Baseball-reference.com page

 

Baseball-reference.com minors page

 

Baseball Cube page

[fleehaw]

I think Igawa could serve a few purposes in a Brewer deal if he was the 3rd player coming from the Yankees.

 

The Yankees supposedly want the Brewers to pick up some of Cameron's salary. What if Igawa was included in the deal and the Yankees picked up half of his tab? He gets $4M/yr thru '11. The Yankees would save $6M.

 

Igawa has not had success at the major league level, but that seems out of sorts (especially BB) with his career numbers in Japan and his stats from AAA last season. While I'm not saying this is guaranteed to change, Igawa at the very least, could be some AAA SP depth for a few seasons. He's 29, so he's not it's not like he's in his upper 30s. $2M/yr for 3 years for a #6 SP that potentially could be much better. Not the greatest situation, but definitely not the worst. I would certainly take Igawa at a discount than sending money to the Yankees for Cameron.

 

Cameron for Cabrera, mystery 2nd player, Igawa, and $6M over 3 years.