Adam Dunn

[logan82]

I would say that Dunn would be an offensive upgrade over Fielder.

 

I think Hardy is expendable as well if he is not willing to accept a 4-5 year deal. I really am not to high on Escobar either, but if Hardy isn't going to stick around longer than he has to then we are likely to see Escobar at some point. We might as well get something more than a couple picks(if we are lucky) for Hardy. It would make us better for 2010 instead of the comp picks that might be ready in 2013 best case scenario(2 full years in minors) more likely 2014+.

 

Thinking about it, those possible comp picks are way a long ways from being MLB ready.

 

Hardy comp picks 2011 draft

Fielder comp picks 2012 draft

[endaround]

This is absolutely the wrong year to trade Fielder with all the 1B/LF/DH types out there as FAs. We haven't even mentioned Giambi. You could make a case for Hardy since MI is bleak but this FA class is teaming with closers, starters (when was the last time 3 starters with ace stuff like Sheets, Sabathia, and Burnett were all on the market?), and all hit no field sluggers.

[TheCrew07]

I see it the other way, he's easily replaced right now and may not be in the future. All year we heard how there was no viable offensive replacement for him, now that there are you're going to the "there are too many options available" card. He still has value, he's young and is a premium offensive player which many AL clubs would love to have for the next 3 years. Some of those clubs could likely afford to resign him as well. Trade wise it's not about the market as much as the motivation between the 2 teams. I have ideas who would be interested in Fielder, but none of us can say for sure. He's someone a team could rebuild around or could help a team turn the corner, as long as he doesn't have to play defense. It's all speculation on our part, but I don't think it's unreasonable to feel that some team will find Fielder's youth and offensive prowess attractive regardless of what's happening with the FA market.

[fleehaw]

It never hurts to shop a player as long as you do it relatively discretely. The are a few teams that would seem to match up well with the Brewers in a potential Fielder deal. The Angels and the Rays come to mind. Each have a surplus of good, young pitching, along with a potential long term solution at 3B among other goods.

 

By no means should Fielder be given away, but there are realistic trade packages that would arguably make the Brewers a better team.

[twobrewers]

As I suggested about a month ago, I would love to pay Dunn (4 years and $44 million) to be a back-up/platoon this year and a full-time player in 2010.

However, the only way he signs as a back-up/platoon is if we overpay.

I also think Milwaukee would be really hard on him. (Milwaukee complains about Cameron striking out too much and having a low average. Imagine if he was gawd-awful on defense on top of that!)

[mothershipconnection]

I think if a pitcher ever went to hell, this would be his defense when he took the mound.

 

No, they'd have to go there, then tick satan off, then flick a booger on him after he dished out their initial punishment.

[ILuvDaBush]

I would be down with signing Dunn to a 4/52-56M deal. He knows the NL Central and as mentioned earlier, we would have one of the most potent "meat-of-the-orders" in baseball. Imagine if we also signed The Muscle.

 

2B Weeks

SS Hardy

RF Braun

1B Fielder

LF Dunn

3B Muscle/Hall/Gamel, up around May

CF Cameron

C Kendall, with a sprinkle of Angel

P YO!!!

 

What could be a reasonable expectation for R/9? How many HR/9?

[Kricket755]

As I suggested about a month ago, I would love to pay Dunn (4 years and $44 million) to be a back-up/platoon this year and a full-time player in 2010.

 

I would be absolutely thrilled if the Brewers could pull off a 4yr/44 mil deal with Dunn, but I would still take him at a 4yr/ 56 mil dollar deal in a heartbeat. This guy is as consistent as it gets. Consistently low avg and high K's, but he has hit at least 40 HR's every year over the last 5 years on top of consistently being on base at +.380 clip. On top of that, he doesn't miss games (no more than 10 missed in a season over last 5), he is a lefty bat, and his ability to play first gives the club that much more flexibility in trading Prince, if and when that time arrives over the next 2 years. I would prefer to deal Cameron and take my lumps with Corey in center. IMO, If Dunn can be had for 4 years, the Brewers will make room for him as oppsed to having him in a backup/platoon type role.

[PeaveyFury]

One thing to throw water on the Dunn fire, hasn't he repeatedly said that he doesn't like hitting in Miller Park? Of course the funny thing is that he always seems to have good success against the Brewers there, but I'm positive he's said that he's not comfortable at the plate in Milwaukee.

[GoudaBrew]

One thing to throw water on the Dunn fire, hasn't he repeatedly said that he doesn't like hitting in Miller Park? Of course the funny thing is that he always seems to have good success against the Brewers there, but I'm positive he's said that he's not comfortable at the plate in Milwaukee.

Must be a perception thing for him because these are his numbers at Miller over the last 3 years...

 

.329/.490/.700 for a 1.190 OPS - 7 HRs in 70 ABs

[CheezWizHed]

Must be a perception thing for him because these are his numbers at Miller over the last 3 years...

 

.329/.490/.700 for a 1.190 OPS - 7 HRs in 70 ABs

Maybe he doesn't like the park, but really loves our pitching... http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif

[CheezWizHed]

One problem with signing Dunn and trading Fielder... Wouldn't the teams that are a targe for trading Fielder just try to sign Dunn instead? So this would only work if we beat out those teams for Dunn's services. And that normally doesn't favor us.

 

Of course, if the Yanks trade for Fielder, that might interest CC to sign there to reunite with his "mini-me". http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Invader3K]

I really don't like the idea of signing Dunn and trying to shoe horn him into the 1B position. I think we've seen enough of the "square peg in a round hole" approach to defense for the Brewers. He should really play LF.

[Godspeed]

"square peg in a round hole"

 

Isn't that perfectly descriptive of Adam Dunn playing defense at any position?

[Weirdos19]

Fielder is a better player than Dunn, period. Prince's plate discipline is improving every year.

 

The reason Prince would be traded is because he won't sign a big deal here. Signing Dunn to a 4 year deal gives us one more year than Prince's arby years. Not a huge difference. While I understand Dunn + Matt Cain > Fielder, Fielder + CC or Sheets > Dunn and Cain.

 

Prince will get about 7 million this offseason, about 12 in 2010, and 15 in 2011. That's 34 million over 3 years. Dunn would ask for about 52 over 4, IMO. If we offered Prince a one year extension at 18 mil, I'm guessing he signs it.

 

A Dunn, Hart, Braun outfield gives me nightmares.

[endaround]

Hart is the one that goes if they sign Dunn. Why would a team trade for Fielder when they can get Abreu, Giambi, Ibanez, or Burrell cheap? Or go spend on Ramirez or Dunn. Or take Nick Johnson for one year for nearly nothing from the Nats.

[Oldcity]

You could also ask why a team would want to trade for Hart when those guys are available. There would be a bigger demand for Fielder; he is the more productive player. Abreu and probably Burrell will make more than Fielder next year as well, so they won't really be cheap options compared to Fielder.

[TooLiveBrew]

You might be able to get a good LH bat Garrett Anderson on a one or two year deal for less than half that.

 

Garrett Anderson is not a guy to target imo. He's an aging guy whose (below-avg.) OBP is tied heavily to his AVG, and sucks big-time defensively. Whatever extra money it would cost to net Dunn over Anderson would be well worth it.

 

 

Fielder is a better player than Dunn, period. Prince's plate discipline is improving every year.

 

There is no way this argument can be made convincingly (though I do agree with the second part). Prince is as bad as it gets on defense at the easiest position, and his BB rate would have to increase by quite a bit to catch Dunn's. Their HR power is about a wash, so Fielder really only holds the edge in singles & doubles (aka AVG).

[endaround]

You could also ask why a team would want to trade for Hart when those guys are available. There would be a bigger demand for Fielder; he is the more productive player. Abreu and probably Burrell will make more than Fielder next year as well, so they won't really be cheap options compared to Fielder.

 

Hart is different in that he has speed and can man RF without looking foolish.

[Tbadder]

I think Dunn would be an upgrade defensively at 1st base. But really, the problem is 3B and pitching. If a Fielder trade doesn't solve immediate problems there I see any reason to sign Dunn. With the economy as it is, and knowing that the worst is yet to come (generally the Milwaukee/Wisconsin lags behind the rest of the country going either way--good or bad) I wouldn't sign anyone. In addition, I'd look to cut payroll by trading Fielder and Hardy (unless Hardy agress to something reasonable).

 

Now, I'm not saying the suggestions here aren't good or reasonable or even better than my scenario, but it just seems a lot of dominoes have to fall just right to the sign Dunn/trade Fielder scenario. It just seems unlikely. I think that major league teams generally take the simplest route to improvement rather than the convoluted method. Therefore I bet the Brewers are morely likely to trade for a 3rd baseman, hope that Sheets accepts arby, picks up the remnants of a bullpen from whatever is left over after all the big names are signed, and grab the picks for CC.

[Oldcity]

Hart is different in that he has speed and can man RF without looking foolish.

Yes, but even with this factor I still don't believe he'd have more trade value than Fielder.

[trwi7]

In addition, Dunn's price might be dropping in a down market. Two NL officials wondered whether Dunn would command even a Jose Guillen-caliber, three-year, $36 million deal from a team other than Washington. "[The Nationals] might have to pay a bit of a premium for him to go to a team that has not won recently," one of the executives said.

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That's an insane bargain. I hope Melvin looks into it.

[TooLiveBrew]

Holy crap. If it only take 3/$35M or so to ink Dunn, that's the kind of signing you make and then worry about what to do with your other players later.

[reillymcshane]

Sign dunn, put him in the OF, trade for Beltre.

 

Who cares about Ks! To heck with pitching! Nevermind defense!

 

Bring on the long ball, baby!

[endaround]

Umm trading for Beltre would make the defense better