Adam Dunn

[Never Outhustled]

Xellence...I do agree to a point...just note I said "if" they needed salary relief.

I'm not even saying your wrong, I'm just saying how mad I'll be at the Brewers if your right.

 

However, I think dumping Cameron would be counterproductive. Dunn's average value is 3 wins a year, Cameron was worth over 4 last year. I'm with you that I want Dunn, but to improve our team it has to be in cunjuction with a trade that brings pitching help.

 

I think the reason this hasn't happened is because Dunn is still looking for $14 million a season, and he just isn't worth that. He is worth $10 million a year, as Invader pointed out.

[TooLiveBrew]

Agreed, X. If Burrell can get $8M AAV over two seasons Dunn should certainly be able to get at least $8M/3 yrs.

[endaround]

Actually he's worth about $12m per but the marginal win value seems now to be falling below $4m per.

[Weirdos19]

I think signing Dunn to a 3/24 and Sheets to a 2/20 with incentives would make sense.

 

Then you can move Cameron to NY.

[fondybrewfan]

I think signing Dunn to a 3/24 and Sheets to a 2/20 with incentives would make sense.

 

Then you can move Cameron to NY.

In that scenario I would be terrified of our OF defense. But Cameron is probably the only tradeable guy that could free enough salary unless Fielder or heaven forbid Suppan is traded.

[Weirdos19]

I think signing Dunn to a 3/24 and Sheets to a 2/20 with incentives would make sense.

 

Then you can move Cameron to NY.

In that scenario I would be terrified of our OF defense. But Cameron is probably the only tradeable guy that could free enough salary unless Fielder or heaven forbid Suppan is traded.

Cameron just seems to be the most plausible. And the lineup would be much improved. The Brewers have done nothing to improve the offense yet.

 

Weeks 2B

Dunn LF or RF

Braun RF or LF

Fielder 1B

Hart CF

Hardy SS

Hall/ Lamb 3B

Kendall C

 

Lots of walks in the 1 and 2 holes.

[sheetswannabe]

I have a feeling Dunn would move Braun to the 5 spot, or he himself would go there. Yeah he draws walks, but a lot of Ks from the 1st two guys is a turn off.

[Invader3K]

Yeah, I really can't see Dunn batting 2nd...I would think he would bat 5th, or maybe even 4th (flipping spots with Fielder).

[Crewin06]

Weirdos I have been salivating over that exact lineup since I heard Cameron might be traded and the Brewers were interested in Dunn.

 

I would probably switch Hardy and Hart based on last year's production but you can't really argue with either of them.

 

I wonder if Kennedy and Cabrera were ever on the table when Sabathia was still a free agent. Probably not.

[endaround]

Cameron is a better player than Dunn. It isn't even that close. Cameron's value the last three years: $18.1m, $10.2m, $17.4m. Dunn: $7.4m, $13.3m, $8.2m.

[Crewin06]

Dunn is a perfect #2 hitter IMO. Takes alot of pitches so Rickie has a chance to run. Will get on base in front of the big knockers.

 

His low BA would be a detriment in the middle of the order and his on base skills would be negated by Hall, Kendall and the pitcher hitting behind him. I think one of the big reasons people are down on Dunn is he has been miscast as a middle of the order bat in the NL when in fact he is a perfect #2 hitter.

 

As a #2 hitter in Weirdos lineup, I bet the guy scores 130-140 runs.

[RyDogg66]

Dunn is a perfect #2 hitter IMO. Takes alot of pitches so Rickie has a chance to run. Will get on base in front of the big knockers.

Wow, Prince has really let himself go, huh?

[sheetswannabe]

With Weeks, Dunn, Braun in the first 3, I couldnt imagine how many people would hate the 3K 1st inning.

[Oldcity]

Cameron is a better player than Dunn. It isn't even that close. Cameron's value the last three years: $18.1m, $10.2m, $17.4m. Dunn: $7.4m, $13.3m, $8.2m.

Yes, but this is looking at things in a vacuum in my opinion. There are other factors. Dunn is in his prime while Cameron could decline. Cameron is under contract for one more year while Dunn could be signed to a multi-year deal. Finally, Dunn's value would be much higher if he was at first base as opposed to the outfield because his bad defense wouldn't be nearly as detrimental. I'm only interested in Dunn as a first baseman though, which would make comparing Cameron and Dunn a moot point.

[Oldcity]

With Weeks, Dunn, Braun in the first 3, I couldnt imagine how many people would hate the 3K 1st inning.

And the three run homer.

[sheetswannabe]

Didnt Dunn say that he will not play first base?

[strawbossisevil]

Someone in this thread said that, but didn´t provide any evidence that he said anything in that regard. I´ll believe that he said that when I see it.

[sheetswannabe]

Oh, sorry. I thought there was a link with it. Well if Dunn would play first I would sign him in a second.

 

Fielder for a pitcher

 

Smooooth sailing then.

[GoudaBrew]

This blog entry references Dunn's interest in playing the OF as opposed to being a near full-time DH, but it doesn't say anything about his willingness to play first base.

 

Link

 

A quote from the blog entry:

Dunn wants to play in the outfield. The Orioles' interest in him only exists if he's willing to serve as the regular designated hitter.

[endaround]

Cameron is a better player than Dunn. It isn't even that close. Cameron's value the last three years: $18.1m, $10.2m, $17.4m. Dunn: $7.4m, $13.3m, $8.2m.

Yes, but this is looking at things in a vacuum in my opinion. There are other factors. Dunn is in his prime while Cameron could decline. Cameron is under contract for one more year while Dunn could be signed to a multi-year deal. Finally, Dunn's value would be much higher if he was at first base as opposed to the outfield because his bad defense wouldn't be nearly as detrimental. I'm only interested in Dunn as a first baseman though, which would make comparing Cameron and Dunn a moot point.

 

The point is people keep talking about signing Dunn and trading Cameron to free up money. That just makes the team significantly worse next season.

[Milltownhooker]

Trading Hart & adding Dunn would be way better than trading Cameron or Fielder.

[TooLiveBrew]

Wow, Prince has really let himself go, huh?

 

Brilliant. Simply brilliant. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

 

I think one of the big reasons people are down on Dunn is he has been miscast as a middle of the order bat in the NL when in fact he is a perfect #2 hitter.

 

I won't disagree that he'd score a bunch by getting on base at #2, but there's absolutely no way a guy that gives you 40 HR each season is miscast as a middle-of-the-order bat.

[Weirdos19]

Having a left-handed pull hitter in the 2 spot is a good thing for the Crew. Especially, one that gets on base. I would have no problem with Dunn hitting third or fifth with Prince in the other spot. I prefer Dunn in front of Braun because he walks a ton and Prince has proven that he can hit .280 with Hart behind him.

 

Also seemed to me that JJ hit better lower in the lineup. And he serves as protection for Corey, which is needed big time. Hart would never see a strike if he hit in front of Kendall and the pitcher. Maybe Kendall bats second and puts Rickie at second with Dunn, Braun, and Fielder coming up.

[Weirdos19]

Cameron is a better player than Dunn. It isn't even that close. Cameron's value the last three years: $18.1m, $10.2m, $17.4m. Dunn: $7.4m, $13.3m, $8.2m.

Yes, but this is looking at things in a vacuum in my opinion. There are other factors. Dunn is in his prime while Cameron could decline. Cameron is under contract for one more year while Dunn could be signed to a multi-year deal. Finally, Dunn's value would be much higher if he was at first base as opposed to the outfield because his bad defense wouldn't be nearly as detrimental. I'm only interested in Dunn as a first baseman though, which would make comparing Cameron and Dunn a moot point.

 

The point is people keep talking about signing Dunn and trading Cameron to free up money. That just makes the team significantly worse next season.

Not against RHP. We need a solid , left handed bat in the worst way.

[chansen]

With the Arb. raises and figures coming in on the players I have the payroll around $76 Million.

 

$81 Million was last year's opening payroll and with the 1 million tickets sold already and price increase I don't see a reason that are payroll should not be around $83 at least. Attansio bought the team and it was around $40 million and that was in 2005 Now it is double that in 4 years.

 

That means we have about $7 million or so to spend this offseason to get to the $83 mark.

 

Here is an option for Hart that has been discussed.

 

Trade Hart to the Giants for Jonathan Sanchez

Hart is due to make around $3.3 this season and Sanchez would be about $500K.

We save the nearly $3 million in saving and add to it the $7 and we have $10M to sign Adam Dunn.

Sign him to a 3 year/$27-$30 Million deal.

If we can pick him up for about $8M this season we have 2 in reserve.

Plus, Randy Winn is a free agent next season and is making $8.25M this year.