Brewers in on Gagne? - Final: to Boston

[kgbaseball]

I'd say he's most like Garrison. A decent prospect, but certainly not near the top of the Yankees' pitching prospect list.

 

What I find odd is that the Yankees and Red Sox, who always appear to give up whatever prospects necessary to require a big name player, have been incredibly protective of their players thus far. The Sox were probably the team in the lead for Dye, but they refused to give up anyone of value. Now there's a rumor that they'd give up David Murphy and Kason Gabbard for Gagne, which would be trading 2 players that don't have a big future with the Sox. Same thing for the Yanks; refusing to give up any pitching prospect. They even have Brett Gardner off limits.

 

Anyways, I can't wait to see how today unfolds. Should be interesting as always.

[Dogger192003]

From Ken Rosenthal at Foxsports.com

 

The Brewers, a late entry into the Eric Gagne sweepstakes, are one of the 12 teams that can acquire the reliever without his permission, according to a major-league source.

Class AAA center fielder Tony Gwynn Jr. likely would be part of any package for Gagne -- the teams discussed him earlier when the Brewers inquired about Rangers setup man Akinori Otsuka.

 

The Brewers already paid a high price for right-handed reliever Scott Linebrink, trading three pitching prospects to the Padres in part because they believed they would not make another significant deal.

 

It remains to be seen whether they could meet the Rangers' price for Gagne. Gwynn alone would not be enough; it is not certain he will develop into an everyday player

 

Sounds like the Brewers are not on the no-trade list.

[jwill535]

Buster Onley thinks that Gagne will either go to the Sox or the Brewers, no mention of who would go to the Rangers.

[BrewCrewForever]

Sounds like its basically down to us and the Red Sox. Come on Doug in you we trust!

[brettac1]

This could be fantastic.

[Brian the Automator]

[ Sounds like the Brewers are not on the no-trade list. ]

 

Oddly, the no-trade list is a bunch of large-market clubs... I"m pretty sure the Brewers aren't on the list.

[1e Corbeau]

Just a thought/speculation, regardless of how hard 3-team deals are to orchestrate especially a few hours before the deadline, but...

 

IF the Mets and Yankees are losing ground/interest in Gagne, that leaves us and the BoSox at the front of the line. The BoSox are said to like T-Bow. I don't know what they would give up, but...

 

Brewers get:

Gagne

 

Rangers get:

Gwynn

BoSox SP prospect

 

Red Sox get:

Turnbow

 

Obviously, wild and the question would be are the Rangers getting enough for Gagne, which would depend on the prospect. Yeah, I'd love to Laird sent to us, but that's even more complicated.

 

Just a thought to pass the time until nothing happens... http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[brewers255]

I say he goes to Milwaukee im prolly just being a homer but here are my reasons.

 

1) Boston is on Gagne no trade list.

2) Melvin and Daniels have had history working trades out and Melvin used to GM the Rangers.

3) Milwaukee can give a useful RP back to Texas.

 

Go get Gagne Doug!

[brettac1]

The Rangers may be in the position to want to just get anything for Gagne, so they'll trade him for whatever they think is the best they can get.

[And That]

I am going to go to work and assume nothing is going to happen. When I get back and nothing goes down, I'll not be disappointed. If something does go down, here's my prediction:

 

Eric Gagne and John Reinecker for Tony Gwynn, Zack Jackson, Greg Aquino and Steve Hammond.

[BrewCrewForever]

Eric Gagne and John Reinecker for Tony Gwynn, Zack Jackson, Greg Aquino and Steve Hammond.

 

Id be fine with that trade as well.

[RyDogg66]

Acquiring Gagne helps us how? Our Starting Pitchers cant make it past the 5th inning and half the offense has stunk since mid June.

 

And at what cost? id be fine with the proposed deal that Toby mentioned, but not if it is going to cost us bullpen arms for next year (PArra, Villy, Turnbow). Gwynn, Aquino and ZackJack would be great, but I dont see that being very appealing to anybody.

 

Finally, getting Gagne just makes the Linebrink trade (a trade I was fine with, btw) look a little more ridiculous.

[kgbaseball]

That would work for me. Not giving up any major parts for Gagne and a guy the Brewers can stick in AAA would be perfect.

[RyDogg66]

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Acquiring Gagne helps us how? Our Starting Pitchers cant make it past the 5th inning and half the offense has stunk since mid June.

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Ok, quoting myself (I know, lame) I can see how it helps with the SP, more bullpen depth = less having to rely on Suppan and Vargas making out of the 6th inning. I still think we need a bat.

[JoeHova]

I hope they don't give up CV or Parra if they make this deal. Those guys should provide several years of league average or (possibly much) better pitching for very cheap. That would be a bad trade, despite CV's struggles the last couple weeks.

[BrewCrewForever]

Villanueva is the one guy I dont want to see go.

[bklynbrewcrew]

I fear that Weeks could be part of the trade. I really hope that doesnt happen.

[don1481]

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I hope they don't give up CV

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If the CV in question here was Claudio Vargas, I'd be on that trade like a kid in a candy store

 

Toby's trade suggestion seems plausible, but with no real "standout" player/prospect in that group, one would wonder if the Rangers would be getting enough to do it...

 

And Toby... work? I thought Hipsters don't workhttp://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[1e Corbeau]

I'm going to quote you, too, RyDogg...

 

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but not if it is going to cost us bullpen arms for next year (PArra, Villy, Turnbow)

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Agreed on the first two (especially CV), but it could be (and has been) argued that we would be selling high on TBow.

 

As much as I hope Coco can turn it around, having an extra option (and a historically dominant option) to use in high leverage situations would improve the club.

 

As far as those looking for a bat, I'm not convinced there is a viable option for substantial improvement available at the proper position.

[I'm not looking to redirect this thread here.]

[pretendastronaut]

Whatever happens, what does it say about the state of baseball in Milwaukee that we're in the hunt for someone like Gagne with the likes of the Yanks, Mets, and Red Soxs? Pretty crazy, and exciting.

 

I'm certainly not one for selling out our future for this season, however, I do think a big move today could be a huge lift for the team and the fan base. That boost alone might be worth the rental.

[CportBadger]

I don't see a definite upgrade out there for a bat. If we could get Toby's trade, I would do it because Gagne is another late-inning guy, and hopefully CoCo and TBow don't have to go out there every time we have a lead.

[igor67]

Point 1 yes I would put him in LF

Point 2 he's played 3rd and OF before in the major leagues

Point 3 current defensive records indicate we are getting average at best LF defense so any down grade while he would have adjusted is not likely to be overwhelming.

 

Point 4 I specifically stated that the valuation of Tony Gwynn was from Texas point of view. I find it ludicrous myself, but the evidence that he would be a centerpiece player for Gagne or Otisukura indicates they value him much higher than that.

[bsglorydays]

Eric Gagne and John Reinecker for Tony Gwynn, Zack Jackson, Greg Aquino and Steve Hammond.

 

I'd do that in a heartbeat. I had actually forgotten all about Greg Aquino. Plus, that deal works for Texas on a couple fronts - it gives them another option in CF and includes starting pitching.

[Tedaldtada]

The only reason the Rangers would want Weeks is to play CF. Kinsler is entrenched at second for them for the forseeable future. I hope DM realizes how much Weeks and Gwynn mean to guys like Hart, Fielder, Hardy, and Hall. These guys are so close, I just think we can't break them up. They remind me of the core of the mid-90's Indians with Lofton, Belle, Manny, Thome, etc.

If we get Gagne, I hope we only give up guys like Brent Brewer, Cole Gillespie, Zack Jack, Dillard, Hernan, Alicedes, and so on.

At this point, LaPorta, Jeffress, CV the younger, Parra, and I think Gwynn should be untouchable. I think TGJ has a bright future if he stays together with this group.

[BrewCrewForever]

At this point, LaPorta, Jeffress, CV the younger, Parra, and I think Gwynn should be untouchable.

 

I agree, except for Gwynn. I like him dont get me wrong, but giving him up as part of getting Gagne is so worth it.