Cameron to Yankees yet? Latest: Brewers apparently talking to free-agent CF's (in case); post 147-ish

[recte44]

Kotsay could be another option.

[JohnBriggs12]

If they could sign them both, a Kotsay/Kapler or Kotsay/Baldelli platoon might not be a bad option. I'd stay away from Edmonds.

 

Heck, even a Kotsay/Hall platoon in CF is not out of the question considering they have McGehee potentially to do some platooning with Gamel at 3B.

[Dmiles23]

I haven't read through this whole thread, just bits and pieces of it, so ignore me if this has been talked about already. Nobody is positive what the deal on the table is; but if the Brewers decide to trade Cameron to the Yankees, and the Yankees made these offers, would you rather:

 

A. The Yankees offer Hughes or Kennedy and Cabrera for Cameron. Hughes and Kennedy are both young, highly touted players in the Yankees system who have struggled in the majors. But you're talking 1 year of Cameron in CF vs. the potential of Hughes/Kennedy. This would probably include signing a player like Kotsay or Baldelli... or trading for another CF.

 

B. The Yankees offer Hughes or Kennedy plus a lower level prospect for Cameron and Hall. Again, we get a young starter for 1 year of Cameron and shed some salary with Hall. This would probably include us signing/trading for a 3B and CF. This deal would save us around $16 mil this season (and $8.4 next) to spend on that 3B and CF, plus other needs on the team.

 

C. The Yankees offer Cabrera for Cameron and Suppan. This deal, there is a pretty drastic drop off from Cameron to Cabrera, but it also sheds us of the $25 mil we owe Suppan over the next 2 seasons. If this deal were to go down, we'd probably need to sign/trade for a CF and SP, but we'd have an extra $20 mil or so (I'm not sure of Cabrera's salary) to help improve the team.

 

D. Decline all deals and keep Cameron in CF next season.

 

These are just hypotheticals, I really have no idea what the Yankees are offering. But say each situation was on the table (maybe not those exact players coming in from the Yankees), what would you rather they do?

[paul253]

I'd take anyone one of those deals, actually. It would have to come with other moves of course, but shedding the salary of both Cameron AND Suppan would allow us to sign two or three guys to fill some holes (Sheets, Abreu, bullpen, etc)

[joepepsi]

I guess I'd go for a deal with the Yankee pitchers. Cabrera is Noo Yawk hype, an extremely overrated player.

[Invader3K]

Well, all three of Hughes, Kennedy, and Cabrera seem to be the New York overhype types at this point...but the salary savings would be huge...and if you could get two of those three, chances are at least one of them will develop into a decent everyday MLB player. So I would probably do it, and go with signing someone like Baldelli or re-signing Kapler to help out.

[StearnsFTW]

I'd take Hughes in a millisecond. Having said that, I don't think there's any chance the Yankees deal him. You can't overhype his minor league numbers. And he's 22.

[endaround]

Yeah there's a huge difference between Kennedy and Hughes. I don't see the Yankees giving up Hughes for one year of Cameron when they wouldn't make him available in a Santana deal. Kennedy isn't bad but at best he'd be like Parra was in 2008 and Kennedy only pitched like 108 innings last year so how well prepared he is for a full season of work is questionable. Such a trade is much more for 2010 and beyond than 2009.

[yoshii8]

If there was any way that we could get Hughes for Cameron I'm sure Melvin would take it in a second, but I highly doubt that happens.

[bklynbrewcrew]

They arent giving up Hughes but might be willing to dump Kennedy especially if they sign CC and either Burnett or Lowe. They are more than willing to give up Cabrera because they realize he isnt an everyday player. They approached the Brewers about Cameron but were only offering Cabrera and a middle relief prospect which Melvin never seriously considered because the Brewers are not high on Cabrera and really value Camerons defense.

 

I was told that NY would probably give up Kennedy provided they sign two free agent starters but Hughes is off limits unless it was for a Peavy type.

[brewerguy71]

Hughes had a horrible year all around. Add to it that he cant stay healthy, and has lost 4 to 5 mph off of his fastball, I wouldnt want him.

Yankees may be talking like they wont deal him, but they would be foolish to hold onto him.

Big story on him and Clay Bucholz in the recent Baseball America.

[DannoMac21]

Anyone who doesn't take Phil Hughes for Mike Cameron is an absolute lunatic. Good Lord.

[Crewin06]

DMiles I would go with Letter C

 

However after you listed them all, I thought to myself how I would love if they traded Suppan and Cameron and received Phil Hughes in return. I know total pipe dream.

[MessiahRp]

As terrific as Option C sounds, I can't see the Yankees taking on nearly $30 million of Suppan's salary for Mike Cameron. I think we're stuck with him no matter what. This is why I hate backloaded contracts. Older veterans are almost always worse in the last few years of their deals than the first few years. I'd prefer that if we're going to shift money, frontload the contract. Then by years #3 or 4 it's much easier to dump the player if they perform as badly as Suppan has.

 

Rp

[sheetskout]

DMiles I would go with Letter C

 

However after you listed them all, I thought to myself how I would love if they traded Suppan and Cameron and received Phil Hughes in return. I know total pipe dream.

I would think maybe for Kennedy and Kontos?

Get RID! of Suppans salary. Please!

[sheetskout]

I'd take Hughes in a millisecond. Having said that, I don't think there's any chance the Yankees deal him. You can't overhype his minor league numbers. And he's 22.

In a nanosecond! They won't though. Maybe if Costanza was still there....hmmm.....

[Mass Haas]

From Newsday:

 

Mike Cameron could come from Milwaukee in a trade, to provide centerfield more of a veteran presence. But the Yankees and Brewers haven't come close to agreeing on terms of a deal there. The Yankees won't include Ian Kennedy in a Cameron trade.

 

Only mentioned for the Kennedy blurb, which I believe is new...

[endaround]

If the Yankees won't include Kennedy I see no way the teams will match up

[kramnoj]

The only way that Kennedy would have been traded for Cameron is if Cashman had been directed to do so by ownership. He didn't trade Hughes and Cabrera plus for Santana, there was no way he was going to trade Kennedy and Cabrera plus for Cameron.

[aracko]

Homberto Sanchez would look so nice in our Bullpen or even possibly the rotation.

 

Maybe Sanchez and Phil Coke? A move like this in my opinion really improves our Bullpen from what we had last year. It cuts around 9mill off the payroll also which is not to be taken lightly.

 

 

Not to mention it would in a way complete the gary sheffield trade. (sanchez was traded for Sheff. )

[JohnBriggs12]

It's unrealistic to think Cameron at 36 who's a FA after this season is going to bring back a top of the line major league ready starting pitcher. Melvin mentioned that the Brewers lack starters at AAA who could provide rotation depth. Beyond Kennedy and Hughes, the Yankees still have some guys (like a Chase Wright or Alfredo Aceves) that fit that description who if combined with Cabrera make for a fair return. They also have young relievers like the aformentioned Coke (a starter most of his minor league career), Sanchez or David Robertson.

[jjfanec]

It's unrealistic to think Cameron at 36 who's a FA after this season is going to bring back a top of the line major league ready starting pitcher.

I don't think Kennedy is a top of the line major league ready pitcher though. Jermaine Dye who will be 35 in January just got Homer Bailey in a trade. I know Dye is better than Bailey, but in a bad CF market Cameron could get Kennedy in my mind.

edit - apparently the Bailey for dye deal is not set in stone or may no longer be on the table at all

[Fear The Chorizo]

Since CC is officially a Yankee, it wouldn't surprise me if trade talks heat up between the Yanks and Brewers that involve Cameron and/or Bill Hall.

 

I also think that if the Yankees are serious about acquiring 3 starting pitchers in free agency (Sabathia, Lowe, and Sheets/Burnett), that guys like Kennedy and even Hughes lose some of their value to the Yanks, since there wouldn't be a rotation spot for them to pitch in.

 

I think a trade involving Cameron and Hall to the Yankees for Melky Cabrera and Hughes (+ or - spare minor league parts on either side) would be possible if the FA starting pitcher spree brings 3 new arms to the Yankees.

[Hate those Rodents]

Well, I guess if I'm Doug, I start at Cano/Hughes/Kennedy for Cameron/Hall. Obviously, I'd take much less, but it's the Yankees so maybe it's possible.

[fleehaw]

Well, I guess if I'm Doug, I start at Cano/Hughes/Kennedy for Cameron/Hall. Obviously, I'd take much less, but it's the Yankees so maybe it's possible.

 

I really don't know why the Brewers would have interest in Cano. He's worse than Weeks and much, much more expensive.

Unless the Brewers acquire another 3B, I can't see them parting with Hall. So, what I'm really saying is, I hope they acquire another 3B.