Zack Greinke

[splitterpfj]

The Royals will be making a long term offer to Greinke, if the does not accept it, they will being exploring trade possibilities.

[brewerguy71]

They can have Hardy straight up to play 2B for him and that would be a pretty good trade in my book.

[endaround]

That would be a terrible trade for the Brewers and the Royals. The Brewers need to add talent to the major league team not lose it. And if the Royals can't compete with Greinke over the next two years they can't compete with Hardy either.

[Oldcity]

Greinke is the guy I wanted to get at the deadline in 2008. Obviously Sabathia worked out, but I wanted Greinke because the Brewers would have had him for multiple seasons. I'd have no problem dealing top minor leaguers for Greinke, which is what the Royals would be interested in.

[And That]

It would take something closer to Gamel or Escobar, plus Salome, Periard or Anundsen, and Gillespie or Aguilar to get Greinke. The Royals would take Hardy I'm sure, but not by himself. Endaround is right - the Royals wants guys they can control for awhile.

[Hammer]

Aren't the Royals on a "Win no" kick right now? If so, they would probably want some MLB or MLB-ready players for him...

[splitterpfj]

The Royals in a "Win no" kick?

 

Was that intentional? It seems accurate.

[TheCrew07]

That would be a terrible trade for the Brewers and the Royals. The Brewers need to add talent to the major league team not lose it. And if the Royals can't compete with Greinke over the next two years they can't compete with Hardy either.

Not addressing the rotation would be a "terrible" idea for the Brewers... How exactly do the Brewers acquire something without giving it up? Hardy is hands down my favorite Brewer, but if he can get us a top of the rotation starter... send him packing. Is Greinke my guy? Not at all However, trading Hardy always comes down to the same thing for a few people and their dislike of a rising Escobar based on MLEs. Quit being to so freaking inflexible... X is a terrible stat, Y is a terrible trade... or maybe instead of being contradictory, you offer your own ideas and opinions for plugging holes instead crapping all over other's opinions. I've been around a long time and I don't recall you ever putting yourself on the line even once, maybe I missed it, but I do read this site pretty thoroughly. Mostly it's a 1 or 2 line post about why someone else's idea or opinion sucks. I'm not saying write a book like I do, I only do that because I have a hard time getting my thoughts and opinions down on paper, my point is that you have more to offer than simply being a bastion of negativity.

[And That]

How exactly do the Brewers acquire something without giving it up?

I think end's point was that for a guy like Greinke where you can get substantially better at the major league level, if you can do that without giving up major league talent, that's the best way to go. And I think the Royals would be receptive to a load of prospects instead of Hardy. It makes the Brewers much better now and makes the Royals better later, albeit in the near future for them.

 

Greinke and Hardy have similar value at MLB level I'd imagine, though Greinke might edge him out if he can go 200 IP next year with a sub-4 ERA. Moving Hardy creates a hole that IMO should not be filled by Escobar in '09. So you'd have to go out and fill the hole somehow, with someone who more than likely will be a downgrade from Hardy. Maybe you take a flyer on Edgar Rentaria on a 1 or 2 year deal?