Elias Rankings: CC, Sheets Type A, Cameron, Gagne, Shouse, Torres Type B

[AJhawk50]

In addition to Teixeira and Sabathia, the other Type A free agents according to the documents are Bobby Abreu, Doug Brocail, A.J. Burnett, Pat Burrell, Orlando Cabrera, Juan Cruz, Ryan Dempster, Adam Dunn, Brian Fuentes, Brian Giles, Trevor Hoffman, Bobby Howry, Orlando Hudson, Raul Ibanez, Derek Lowe, Damaso Marte, Jamie Moyer, Mike Mussina, Darren Oliver, Oliver Perez, Andy Pettitte, Manny Ramirez, Edgar Renteria, Francisco Rodriguez, Ben Sheets, Russ Springer, Jason Varitek and Kerry Wood.

The Type B free agents are Jeremy Affeldt, Moises Alou, Garret Anderson, Luis Ayala, Joe Beimel, Casey Blake, Casey Blake, Milton Bradley, Paul Byrd, Mike Cameron, Alan Embree, Eric Gagne, Jon Garland, Luis Gonzalez, Ken Griffey, Mark Grudzielanek, LaTroy Hawkins, Jason Isringhausen, Randy Johnson, Jeff Kent, Paul LoDuca, Braden Looper, Mark Loretta, Brandon Lyon, Greg Maddux, Brad Penny, Denny Reyes, Arthur Rhodes, Ivan Rodriguez, Rudy Seanez, Brian Shouse, John Smoltz, Frank Thomas, Salomon Torres, Juan Uribe, David Weathers, Randy Wolf and Gregg Zaun.

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[PeaveyFury]

How in the heck is Kerry Wood a type-A free agent? These ratings are just absurd.

[paul253]

I think its absurd, after what Sabathia did, is rated lower than Texteira. That means if the Yankees sign them both, our compensation is a 2nd round pick, for possibly the best pitcher in baseball....thats crap.

Do you think we'll offer arby to Shouse? I think we should, its a win-win. If he accepts you get a pretty decent LOOGY who'll still be fairly cheap. If not you get that extra pick and still have Stetter to replace him. I think we let Gagne walk, and pick up the option on Torres, so we still walk away with 5, 7 total, extra picks before round 3, assuming we dont sign a Type A. That'll be a nice little haul.

[BrewCrewForever]

Oliver and Varitek type A? Come on.

[trwi7]

I like how Moises Alou, a guy who has played 102 games total the past two years garners the same compensation as Mike Cameron and Milton Bradley.

[Team Canada]

If we don't work out a 2-year deal for Shouse I'm sure we'll at least offer arby. Hopefully someone signs Gagne before the deadline, it's not like it'll matter to that team anyway, just a sandwich for us.

[logan82]

I like how Moises Alou, a guy who has played 102 games total the past two years garners the same compensation as Mike Cameron and Milton Bradley.

I think they take a player's production and figure it over a full season if they are injured.

[colbyjack]

Last year I wasn't too upset that the Brewers didn't land extra first-round picks for Cordero and Linebrink since they got early third-rounders, but if a team like the Yankees goes out and signs Teixeira AND Sabathia this offseason, that will flat-out suck.

[zurch1818]

How is Bob Howry type A? He was horrible last year.

[TooLiveBrew]

These ratings are just absurd.

 

Yep. The fact that we could get compensation for Gagne is pretty crazy... amongst many other crazy things here

[Ennder]

I actually dont' have a problem with Teix over Sabathia. Teix had a very good offensive year and was the best or 2nd best defensive 1B in baseball as well.

 

Some of the other A vs B ones bug me though, the system obviously needs a revamp.

[RyDogg66]

Where does Sheets fall on the list?

[1992casey]

We need a full list broken down by position. I'm betting one will be out in the next few days and that someone will provide a link.

[LouisEly]

In order to give up/receive compensation, the player needs to be tendered an offer of at least 80% of their previous year's salary, correct? If so, who is likely to be tendered at least that much, and who is likely to not be tendered?

 

Also, does this include players with a team option? IIRC, Torres has a team option, and it is very likely that they will pick it up.

 

Some type B guys who I don't think are much of a step down from the Type A guys who intrigue me - Affeldt, Ayala, Beimel, Blake, Bradley, Garland, Looper. How Beimel is a type B and Marte and Darren Oliver is a type A is strange; he, Affeldt, or Ayala could help fill out the bullpen. Should neither Sheets nor Sabathia be back, a guy like Looper or Garland could help fill out the rotation without having to give up a first round pick. Looper also has previously closed, so he could be moved back into the bullpen if needed. Gallardo/Parra/Bush/Looper-Garland/Suppan would be league average, and if their offense can revert to 2007 numbers their above-average offense would keep them in the playoff chase.

[trwi7]

Should neither Sheets nor Sabathia be back, a guy like Looper or Garland could help fill out the rotation without having to give up a first round pick.

Garland = Suppan. I'd rather not have another Suppan.

[DHonks]

Some type B guys who I don't think are much of a step down from the Type A guys who intrigue me - Affeldt, Ayala, Beimel, Blake, Bradley, Garland, Looper. How Beimel is a type B and Marte and Darren Oliver is a type A is strange;

Personally, I've never thought much of Affeldt. He's like Schoenweis...so much talent, just a bad pitcher.

 

As for Marte, he's been a stud for years, so I'd love to add him

[logan82]

The 80% is for non free agents only. You can offer free agents anything you want.

 

See Toby's post here.

 

 

(changed link so it'd go directly to post --1992)

[JohnBriggs12]

Should neither Sheets nor Sabathia be back, a guy like Looper or Garland could help fill out the rotation without having to give up a first round pick.

Garland = Suppan. I'd rather not have another Suppan.

 

Garland is only 29 (Suppan was 31 when he signed) and while his numbers are somewhat similar to Suppan, his career ERA is lower and was compiled strictly in the AL.

 

I think the Suppan comparison fits Looper more than Garland.

[endaround]

Suppan's career FIP 4.79

 

Garland's career FIP 4.74

 

Now Garland was a decent pitcher from 2005-2007 but was pretty bad last season (4.76 FIP) so he very well could be past his prime.

[Ennder]

Garland isn't any better than Suppan, not what we need at all.

[mothershipconnection]

In order to give up/receive compensation, the player needs to be tendered an offer of at least 80% of their previous year's salary, correct?

 

I'm pretty sure you simply must offer him arbitration and have him decline - no exact money figure needs to be offered because the arbitration process never begins.

[PeaveyFury]

I'm pretty sure you simply must offer him arbitration and have him decline - no exact money figure needs to be offered because the arbitration process never begins.

 

Yep, actual numbers aren't exchanged until much later in the process (and normally well after free agency is done).

[LouisEly]

Personally, I've never thought much of Affeldt. He's like Schoenweis...so much talent, just a bad pitcher.

 

Looking at what he has done out of the bullpen the last two years I don't think "bad pitcher" is the appropriate label. He has done just fine as a reliever. I wasn't advocating him as a starter.

[bork]

So Mota isn't a free agent?

[RyDogg66]

He might be, he just doesnt qualify as a Type A or Type B I am guessing.