off-season trade market

[piccione88]

I am trying to put together a list of all the available players who have been rumored to be available that the brewers could possibly have interest in. This is what I have got so far, with the players remaining contract in parenthesis. I also have the players stats linked to their name.

Third Base

COL) G.Atkins (2009-2010: arbitration) http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/atkinga01.shtmlSEA) A.Beltre (2009: 12 million)

TEX) H.Blalock (2009: 6.2 million club option)

FLA) J.Cantu ( 2009-2010: arbitration)

LAA) C.Figgins (2009: arbitration)

BAL) A.Huff ( 2009: 8 million)

BAL) M.Mora (2009: 9 million)

KC) M.Teahen (2009-2010: arbitration)

Second Base

NYY) R.Cano (09: 6M, 2010: 9M, 2011: 10M, 2012: 14M club option, 2013: 15M club option)

ATL) K.Johnson (09-2011: arbitration)

BAL) B.Roberts (09: 8 million)

FLA) D.Uggla (09-2010: arbitration)

Outfield

NYY) M.Cabrera (2010-2012: arbitration)

TB) C.Crawford (2009: 8.25M club option, 2010:10M club option)

BOS) C.Crisp (2009: 5.75M, 2010: 8M club option)

KC) D.DeJesus (2009: 3.6M, 2010: 4.7M, 2011: 6M club option)

ATL) J.Francoeur (2009-2011: arbitration)

FLA) J.Hermida (2009-2011: arbitration)

LAD) M.Kemp (2010-2012: arbitration)

DET) M.Ordonez (2009: 18M, 2010: 15M club option, 2011: 15M club option)

SF) R.Winn (2009: 8.25 million)

Starting Pitcher

MIN) S.Baker (2010-2012:arbitration)

SEA) E.Bedard (09:arbitration)

MIN) N.Blackburn (2011-2013: arbitration)

SF) M.Cain (2009: 2.65M, 2010: 4.25M, 2011: 6.25M club option)

OAK) J.Duchscherer (2009-2010: arbitration)

KC) Z.Greinke (2009-2010: arbitration)

NYY) P.Hughes (2011-2013: arbitration)

TB) E.Jackson (09-2011: arbitration)

KC) G.Meche (2009: 11M, 2010: 12M, 2011: 12M)

TEX) K.Millwood (2009: 11M, 2010:12M) club can void contract after 2009 if millwood does not get 180 innings in 09

FLA) S.Olsen (2009-2011: arbitration)

SF) J.Sanchez (2010-2012: arbitration)

CHW) J.Vazquez (2009: 11.5M, 2010: 11.5M)

SDP) C.Young (2009: 4.5M, 2010: 6.25M, 2011: 8.5M club option)

Relievers

TOR) S.Downs (2009: 3.75M, 2010: 4M)

FLA) K.Gregg (2009: arbitration)

TOR) B.J. Ryan (2009: 10M, 2010: 10M)

BAL) G.Sherrill (2009-2010: arbitration)

OAK) H.Street (2009-2010: arbitration)

 

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/morame01.shtml

[piccione88]

Who else is out there?

[jackalope02ca]

I think anyone on San Diego is available. The owner is going through a nasty divorce and needs to raise money and cut expenses. Have seen this mentioned on rotoworld and elsewhere. If we were willing to give up cheaper/younger players I don't think there is an untouchable on the team right now. Peavey would look good. Maybe a package of Corey Hart or JJ as the centrepiece with some more of our minor leaguers would get it done. Especially if we agreed to take on another overpaid guy.

[piccione88]

Peavey will probably draw a better deal than CC, or Bedard got. I would imagine JJ, and either Gamel or Escobar would have to go.

[nate82]

Peavey will probably draw a better deal than CC, or Bedard got. I would imagine JJ, and either Gamel or Escobar would have to go.

It would be the same as what the A's got for Haren.

[jackalope02ca]

It would have to be very similar. I would expect that JJ, Jeffress, and maybe a Gindl type would get it done or substitute a couple more prospects in place of JJ who have high ceilings. Not a bad deal from the Brewers perspective if we don't resign CC or Sheets. We have a small window to win. 3-4 years so by the time most of our prospects that played A+ or lower make it we'll be rebuilding anyways. I have no issue what so ever about depleting the minor leagues at that level and lower. Then we can lose for 3-5 years again and rebuild and take another run at it. That's kind of how the cycle generally runs for most good teams. I'll admit a few teams like the Braves seem to be able to avoid the rebuilding for longer but they are exceptions to the rule.

[PlayerHader]

Peavey for Hardy, Jeffress and Gindl?

 

No thanks.

[nate82]

Maybe I'm dreaming but what about a Hardy, Hart, and Braddock for Kemp and Kershaw. The Dodgers could either move Hardy to 2B or have Furcal take over and play at 2B.

 

An infield of Loney 1B, Furcal 2B, Hardy SS, and Dewitt 3B would be a very solid infield. The OF assuming the Dodgers sign Manny wouldn't be all that worse than what they have now. An OF of Manny LF, Ethier CF, and Hart RF would be a solid OF for the Dodgers.

 

The only thing I wouldn't like about this trade is that the offense takes a hit. I don't believe the Dodgers would do this deal though.

[jackalope02ca]

Why would the Dodgers want to deal either Kemp or Kershaw? The more likely is that they would try to deal Pierre.

[nate82]

Why would the Dodgers want to deal either Kemp or Kershaw? The more likely is that they would try to deal Pierre.

Pierre would net them either another bad contract or just a salary dump. Pierre wouldn't net anything like what Kemp or Kershaw would get them. In order to get value you have to trade value unless you are the Pirates and you are trading with the Cubs.

[piccione88]

I am pretty sure Kemp is available due to their outfield logjam, but Kershaw not so much. Young pitchers are worth so much, and Kershaw has as high a ceiling as any pitcher around. Add in the fact that he is cost controlled for 5 more years, you would need to blow them away.

[jjfanec]

Furcal is a free agent this year so Hardy would make sense for the Dodgers. Loney's lack of power numbers could make him expendable in a Fielder trade. Fielder for Loney and an arm or something.

[southpaw121505]

The Dodgers love Kemp. I don't know why people keep throwing his name around. Logjam maybe, but he won't be the one moved

[ELCABALLO45]

Jake Peavy officaly got put on the block today, he said he would go to a NL team.

[nate82]

Jake Peavy officaly got put on the block today, he said he would go to a NL team.

If we lose out on the Sabathia deal do we go all in for Peavy? I'm not sure I'm sold on doing that though. It would take at a minimum Hardy, Jeffress, and ??? I'm not sure I would give up that much for Peavy. Yes he is an ace and a rotation of Peavy, Gallardo, Parra, Bush, Suppan is a decent rotation I'm not sure I would want to give up Jeffress and Hardy for 5 years of Peavy. It is tempting though.

[ELCABALLO45]

Would we be willing to give up Hart? I mean we could also then trade for Brian Giles for a year, move Gamel to right and let him play in AAA this year.

[nate82]

I wonder if the Padres would accept a deal that would send Parra, Hardy, and Lucroy for Peavy and Green. This might be overpaying for Peavy though especially with taking on Green's contract but it would allow for Escobar to play at AAA before coming up.

[ELCABALLO45]

Peavy is a Elite Pitcher who has like I think 3 years left on his contact.

[joepepsi]

Looks like he's signed for $9 million for 2009, then a new 3 year deal he signed in '07 kicks in 2010-2012. 2010 he gets a full no trade clause, so that's why the Padres want to move him now, I suppose. After that he can block trades to certain teams for the duration of the contract.

 

2010-$15 million; 2011-$16 million; 2012-$17 million; 2013-$22 million with a $4 million buyout. That's more affordable than what you'd have to pay CC. He won't be 28 until next May.

[brewerjamie15]

Watching the NLDS right now, and they are talking quite a bit about Juan Pierre. They say his attitude is incredible and he's an incredibly hard worker. He is apparently available this off season because LA will most likely not retain his services. He'd obviously not be able to stay in LF if he comes to the Brewers but would you think him a possible pick up? Can't he play CF in place of Cameron? Pierre has speed that's insane, lifetime hitter of around .300 and has an OBP of .350ish.

[1992casey]

Jake Peavy officaly got put on the block today, he said he would go to a NL team.

 

How does one "officially' get put on the block?

[trwi7]

He'd obviously not be able to stay in LF if he comes to the Brewers but would you think him a possible pick up?

Absolutely not. Both Pierre and Cameron (if his option is picked up) will make $10 million next year. The problem is that after next year Cameron will be off the books while Pierre will make $18.5 million over the next two years. Also, Pierre's best OBP in the past four years was Cameron's OBP this year. To put it simply, Cameron is a flat out better player than Pierre and it really isn't close.

[MNBrew]

I'm hardly crazy about Juan Pierre, but I just sent this to a friend tonight before I'd read this thread. What about...

 

Suppan's contract is backloaded, so he's due something like $12+M the next 2 years (UGLY).

Pierre's 2 years into a 5-yr., $45M contract (UGLY to be sure!).

Cameron's option is a $10M one or a buyout that may be as much as $3M.

 

Pierre (~$9M) + Cameron's buyout (~$3M) = Suppan (~$12+M)

 

If the Dodgers are looking to move Pierre and replace a starting P or 2 (Lowe's a FA, anyway), maybe there's a match. The deal would need to meet a need of the Dodgers, whether that would mean the addition of Suppan or just the subtraction of Pierre. And the Brewers take care of one position (CF), do dump a heinously ugly contract (Suppan), do change the complexion of their offense (better BA, 2x as many SBs, & tons fewer Ks) but still are no better off OBP-wise unless Pierre "regresses" to his form of the first 5 years of his career.

 

The alternative would be still having Cameron ($10M) AND Suppan ($12+M) both still on the '09 Brewers, which for all the reasons there are to be down on the Pierre idea for Pierre's negative merits, is nearly twice as expensive as the proposed trade and still doesn't improve any of the '08 Brewers' glaring needs (fewer Ks, better OBP, more base hits) or problems (Suppan's ugly pitching and ugly contract). . . . . So although I'm not totally sold on this as a great deal, theoretically it's at least improves on the status quo and still frees up the equivalent of Cameron's $10M salary for meeting another need.

[yoshii8]

What about working out a trade with the Marlins? I would be interested in Scott Olsen, Kevin Gregg and Dan Uggla.

 

Olsen could be a good #3 starter, even though his K rate was down this year.

 

I really liked Gregg when I saw him pitch last season, and I think he could be a closer or at least a setup option.

 

I think Uggla would look very good as the #5 hitter protecting Prince and starting at 2nd or 3rd. I'm not sure if he would switch positions, but he played more 3rd than 2nd in the minors.

[logan82]

change the complexion of their offense (better BA, 2x as many SBs, & tons fewer Ks) but still are no better off OBP-wise unless Pierre "regresses" to his form of the first 5 years of his career.

 

Huge drop in SLG at the CF position which would make our offense worse despite the things he would add. I would rather have Suppan's 2 year terrible contract over Pierre's 3 year terrible contract.