Proposal: Fielder to Seattle for Beltre+?

[trwi7]

Here's the article.

 

 

The Brewers, as we've mentioned before. desperately need starting and bullpen help and would be interested in a Putz deal. But that could come, I'm told, as part of a larger package. The Brewers have a ton of bats (literally) that could be moved in first baseman Prince Fielder, shortstop J.J. Hardy, Class AAA third baseman Mat Gamel, minor league shortstop Alcides Escobar and outfield prospects Lorenzo Cain and Cole Gillespie.

But as I said, that looks like it would be all part of a larger, multiple-player deal. The Brewers like many of Seattle's starting pitchers as well, with Brandon Morrow topping the list. Anyhow, right now, it's all just a concept. But it's one worth keeping an eye on.

I really don't see the Brewers moving any of the players the writer mentions (maybe Gillespie), but I don't see us moving Fielder, Hardy or our top prospects for Putz. He mentions Morrow, but the main guy is Putz and I don't like Morrow enough to move Hardy, Fielder or top prospects to get him and Putz.

[PeaveyFury]

From Tom's latest blog:

 

Melvin said he did talk about possible trades with Seattle general manager Jack Zduriencik, the Brewers' former scouting director. Melvin wouldn't reveal which names were discussed but the Brewers are known to have interest in Mariners closer J.J. Putz, who is available via trade.

 

But Melvin said he decided he did not have a match with the Mariners, so you can forget those rumors about Fielder going to Seattle.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/35838739.html

[SZBrewerFan]

Now that CC has decided on New York does this change our prespective on Prince. I don't really see a way we compete this year and with little to no pitching help on the way over the next one or two years does it make sense to keep Prince with little hope of him signing an extension. I say deal him now for a package including a young stud (Morrow) that we can slot in along with Parra and Yo for the next 4-5 years. It leaves a huge hole in the lineup, but you could sign a guy like Abreu for RF and throw Gamel in at firstbase. Just a thought.

[Hate those Rodents]

I could live with Nelson for a year. I think he might surprise if given the job at first.

[endaround]

So the Brewers aren't going to compete next year but the Mariners are?

[zzzmanwitz]

So the Brewers aren't going to compete next year but the Mariners are?

 

We don't care if they are or not. If we don't think we are going to compete, now is a good time to reload for next year. Its up to them why they would want fielder.

[endaround]

No we are assuming that they'll offer up a possible stud pitcher they control for 6 years so they have Fielder for 3. It makes no sense. If the Brewers trade Fielder it would be like to the Yankees for Hughes.

[TheCrew07]

It comes down to motivation, if acquiring Fielder puts Seattle in better position to compete sooner, why wouldn't Jack Z entertain the idea? He may very well not want to give up 6 years for 3, but the Brewers gave up 12 years of LaPorta/Brantley for 3.5 months of Sabathia. It all comes down to how quickly Jack Z is supposed to field a competitive team and what sort of window they are looking at. Seattle's farm system isn't very deep, so Z's options are pretty limited right now, I don't see how assuming Seattle would deal is any different than assuming the Yankees would deal. It's not like good teams are the only teams that make deals every year, if a GM thinks a deal makes his club better, he pulls the trigger, regardless of what the fans think they should do.

 

Hughes isn't good enough to pitch in the Yankees rotation now, why would the Brewers trade Fielder for him when Fielders is equal in value to a guy like Shields? I was as high on Hughes as I was Yo, but he's been rather uninspiring in the bigs. Not that he's not capable of turning it around, but I don't have the faith in Hughes to step in and be a top of the rotation guy like the Brewers need.

 

edit. I should add that as far as Seattle is concerned I really like Morrow as a trade target.

[B2k1121]

Well, it sounds like the Mets are now after Putz as well, Rosenthal has it in his blog.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/...-MLB-winter-meetings-blog

[endaround]

Because Seattle isn't a good team and two of its better players are likely to be traded this offseason. Trading Morrow for Fielder to hopefully eek out one more win makes no sense. Th Yankees trading Hughes who won't help them this year does make sense.

[TheCrew07]

just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it's not possible. It may be unlikely, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Maybe they give up Morrow for 3 hitting prospects... it doesn't have to be Fielder. The quickest way to rebuild when your farm system stinks is to trade premium players for good prospects. Z has no history, so it's difficult to project what he would do, or how close they think they are to being competitive, or what their rebuilding plan would be. They thought they would be competitive this year just like Detroit going into the season so I think Z could go either way.

 

Hughes is selling very low for Fielder, the Yankees would have to package more value for that deal to be anywhere close to even.

[MNBrew]

just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean it's not possible. It may be unlikely, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Maybe they give up Morrow for 3 hitting prospects... it doesn't have to be Fielder. The quickest way to rebuild when your farm system stinks is to trade premium players for good prospects. Z has no history, so it's difficult to project what he would do, or how close they think they are to being competitive, or what their rebuilding plan would be. They thought they would be competitive this year just like Detroit going into the season so I think Z could go either way.

 

Hughes is selling very low for Fielder, the Yankees would have to package more value for that deal to be anywhere close to even.

Any single prospect for Fielder, a proven MLB 50-HR & multiple 100-RBI stud, would be significant underpayment. Years of control might be the prevailing issue in your mind, endaround, but I think there's a much bigger picture than that and it's rooted in the combination of youth and proven talent.

[endaround]

The point isn't Morrow is overpaying for Fielder. The point is it makes no sense for the Mariners. Yes we can assume Jack Z is irrational but that doesn't make a realistic trade scenario. It would be like the Brewers trading Gallardo after 2007 for Tori Hunter.

[PeaveyFury]

Yes we can assume Jack Z is irrational but that doesn't make a realistic trade scenario.

 

Considering what he got for Putz, I think it's more realistic than we'd think. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

But seriously, if someone is going to be irrational with a guy like Fielder, it's Jack Z. We have no idea to what length he'd like to have one of his successful draft picks on the Mariners, even if it doesn't make a ton of sense to them.

[endaround]

USS Mariner loves the Putz deal

[PeaveyFury]

Not sure why. Gutierrez is nice defensively but stinks with the bat, Chavez is a throw-in, Heilman has to rebound from a bad 2008 while in his 30's to be anywhere close to useful, especially with a jump to the AL, and Carp is a decent 1B prospect but nothing to write home about.

[endaround]

Basically the deal works out even for next season and a big win going forward. Keep in mind Putz is owed $8.6m next season. Thats an expensive set up guy for the Mets.

[PeaveyFury]

Basically the deal works out even for next season

 

Explain, please?

[endaround]

They have the Mariners giving up 4.5 wins this year but getting back 4 wins this year plus lower costs now and going forward.

[PeaveyFury]

They have the Mariners giving up 4.5 wins this year but getting back 4 wins this year plus lower costs now and going forward.

 

4.5 wins is only based on their assumption that Putz is a league average pitcher in 2009. He was well above average in 2006 and 2007 (especially), and is switching to the NL. I think it's quite conceivable that he'll be significantly above average in 2009.