Proposal: Fielder to Seattle for Beltre+?

[intemporal]

What do you guys think of something like Fielder to Seattle for Adrian Beltre + a reliever? Seattle has a void at first base (though this would create a void at third base for them), but Prince would be a good lefty bat they've sorely lacked (apart from Raul Ibanez).

 

Beltre fits the Brewers need for a third baseman, though getting rid of Prince gets rid of a solid lefty bat, which we have few of. Throwing in the reliever made sense to me because of the disparity in how many years left each player has (1-year ~$13 million for Beltre; and is it about 3 yrs left for Prince before he can go free agent?). Also, developing relievers is just about the only thing the Mariners have done right for a few years.

 

I'm not sure that this makes any sense, but being a Brewer fan in Seattle, I've been thinking about both teams' needs this offseason, and this possibility popped into my mind.

 

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[PilprinBuddha]

I don't see a Fielder for Beltre deal.

 

I could see Beltre being a target for the Brewers, but not for Fielder, unless a young SP with #1 or #2 type stuff was also part of the deal.

[billyhallfan]

that is way too much for beltre and a throw in

[intemporal]

that is way too much for beltre and a throw in

 

That was kind of my sense too, especially after I posted when I looked at the OPS+ comparison. I'd ask what else would it take to make it palatable to trade Fielder, but realistically, there's nothing the Mariners have that the Brewers would want that they could afford to give up at this point. For instance, good SP is not something they have a lot of (unless the Brewers want Silva or Washburn... riiiiiight).

[nate82]

That was kind of my sense too, especially after I posted when I looked at the OPS+ comparison. I'd ask what else would it take to make it palatable to trade Fielder, but realistically, there's nothing the Mariners have that the Brewers would want that they could afford to give up at this point. For instance, good SP is not something they have a lot of (unless the Brewers want Silva or Washburn... riiiiiight).

King Felix Hernandez is a player I would trade for with Prince. That is where the starting point ends and starts with a Prince trade to the Mariners.

[Ennder]

Beltre was better than Fielder last year when you add in defense so I think it is a fair enough deal. I think Fielder was a down season though and will be more valuable next year. Beltre is a decent enough target though since in general fielding is where the value is these days.

[logan82]

I would rather get a player who will stick around more than one year for Fielder.

[endaround]

Beltre will cost twice as much as Fielder and is signed for only one year. Now I could see a trade with Seattle that includes Beltre, say Hall, Salome, Dillard, and Nelson for Beltre and Bedard but likely Seattle will roll the dice with Bedard and hope he's healthy for two months and then trade him.

[dadofandrew]

Prince for a guy who'll be gone in a year that you might be not be able to offer arby to?

 

Nope.

[BrewCrewForever]

I to have to echo that Beltre to the Brewers is a possibility but not for Fielder. That deal would be way unfair to us.

[rousieboy]

I thought that Bedard was a free agent after having avoided arbitration in '06, '07, and '08...?

 

 

http://mlbcontracts.blogs.../01/seattle-mariners.html

[Gobias Industries]

Beltre and JJ Putz is a start. Outside of that, I don't see who they'd want. I don't think they're a good match with the Brewers. (Maybe Jeff Clement is somewhat tradeable?)

[piccione88]

He will have just over 5 years service time after this season. I am not an expert on this subject, but I belive after 6 seasons service time you are eligible for free agency. 2006 Bedard could have been super two, but I am not sure.

[PrinceFielder28]

I might have interest in Beltre, but not for Fielder. Didn't know he was that good in the field. He just won his second straight gold glove. To bad he isn't signed beyond next year, but could be a good plug until Gamel is ready.

[colbyjack]

How about Fielder for Beltre, Putz and Balentien? Balentien could be the replacement for Cameron in CF if he is dealt to the Yankees, and has a Cameron-esque .273/.344/.526 line in his time spent in the minors (including good power at one of the largest AAA parks in Tacoma).

 

To play devil's advocate to my own proposal, while getting a 3B, CF and closer for Prince is appealing, I think you have to get a young starter back for Prince. And as noted by others, you're only getting Beltre for one year, unless you somehow can workout a contract extension with a Boras client.

 

I'm not so sure Melvin and Zduriencik would work out a potential blockbuster given how well they know one another.

[fondybrewfan]

How about Fielder, Hall, and a prospect for Beltre, Morrow, and Putz? Beltre is a salary dump, Putz is an injury concern and salary dump, and Morrow is a very good young SP. Hall can fill 3rd for a couple of years and they get a lefty power bat in Fielder.

[brewerguy71]

It all depends on the prospect you are talking about...

 

Hall is nothing better than a throw in for any trade, and actually has negative value in a trade.

 

Morrow is a studa dn Putz is a very nice guy to be the closer. I would do Morrow and Putz in a second for Fielder. The only way you get Beltre too is if you give them a guy like Salome or a couple of the A ball OF from last year...as for Nelson, he doesnt have much value either in a trade....

[Tbadder]

I can't seeing this happen; I can't see Fielder going anywhere yet. He's got to have a truly monster year again to be tradeable.

[fondybrewfan]

It all depends on the prospect you are talking about...

 

Hall is nothing better than a throw in for any trade, and actually has negative value in a trade.

 

Morrow is a studa dn Putz is a very nice guy to be the closer. I would do Morrow and Putz in a second for Fielder. The only way you get Beltre too is if you give them a guy like Salome or a couple of the A ball OF from last year...as for Nelson, he doesnt have much value either in a trade....

Then I would go with Fielder, Salome, and Gillespie/Gindl for Beltre, Putz, and Morrow. I don't think Hall has negative trade value, he is still young and his contract isn't that atrocious, plus he can play anywhere on the diamond

[StearnsFTW]

I loves me some Brandon Morrow. That said, I can't imagine Seattle trading him straight up for Fielder. As the OP said, those are the kind of guys Seattle should be hanging onto. Now, if Jack has a couple of Brewer farmhands that he just can't live without......

[MNBrew]

Trade Fielder and the return needs to be the equivalent of gold. Sure, he's not perfect. Even Miss America can have a pimple (loose equivalent = Fielder's defense). Proven, high end, young stud, 50 HR/100+ RBI hitter ought to net a much better return than an above-average-ish major leaguer and serviceable trade filler. Trading a stud like Fielder, warts and all, needs to net studs in return.

 

The only reasons the Brewers should entertain trading Fielder is if they're bowled over by an offer they can't refuse -- and even then, they need to think hard about it. Fielder + Suppan/Hall for Beltre, Felix Hernandez, + solid players or strong prospect(s) is the caliber of deal we should expect. As Melvin would typically say, I doubt he's "motivated to move" Fielder.

[jjfanec]

Trade Fielder as the return needs to be the equivalent of gold. Sure, he's not perfect. Even Miss America can have a pimple (loose equivalent = Fielder's defense). Proven, high end, young stud, 50 HR/100+ RBI hitter ought to net a much better return than an above-average-ish major leaguer and serviceable trade filler. Trading a stud like Fielder, warts and all, needs to net studs in return.

Fielder really isn't a 50 HR guy save one year. He is more like a 35-40 HR guy, but I agree the offer for him must be a big one and Beltre does not fit that bill to me. I think you trade Prince for top end young pitching not decent to good guys. He isn't Lyle Overbay so it should not be that type of trade. If Delmon Young got Matt Garza Prince should net some nice pitching.

[1992casey]

Per the Cot's link in reply #10, Bedard finished the season one day short of being eligible for free agency. (The information on that site isn't updated for this year yet.)

[sheetskout]

i would be totally fine with a deal involving either Hernandez or Morrow. Morrow and Halman for Prince sounds about right....

[ILuvDaBush]

Given their contract situations, I would think Felix would be more attainable for Prince, though he would also be the harder target given their talent levels. Nothing against Morrow but King Felix is a once-in-a-generation talent, much like our Regal One.