Who Needs To Be Protected From Rule 5 (40-Man Roster); Latest -- Scarpetta, Rogers, Aguilar, Periard added to 40-man

[Mass Haas]

cakecrusher wrote:

 

I suppose this is as good a place as any for this question. Do the Brewers have to add Cain to the 40-man roster this offseason? I think the rules changed to 4/5 years in the last cba, but I am not sure how his draft/signing age is calculated for that purpose. On the same note, does anyone have a quick list of critical prospects that must be added to the 40-man this winter?

 

We have a regular reader who maintains a detailed spreadsheet where he has tracked information for this purpose. Based on his spreadsheet, the players under consideration would be:

 

Aguilar, Omar

Bell, Michael

Cain, Lorenzo

Holmberg, Kenny

Katin, Brendan

Maldonado, Martin

Mercedes, Roque

Periard, Alex

Rivas, Amaury

Rogers, Mark

Ryan, Patrick

Welch, David

Bateman, Joe

Bray, Steve

Cate, Troy

Chapman, Steve

Chavez, Ozzie

Choate, Randy

Corporan, Carlos

Corredor, Nestor

Crabbe, Callix

Delarosa, Anderson

Fermaint, Charlie

Garciaparra, Michael

Gibbons, Jay

Gulin, Lindsay

Heether, Adam

Hinton, Robert

Johnson, David

Jones, Mike

Lluberes, Rafael

Miller, Derek

Munson, Eric

Narron, Sam

Narveson, Chris

Parejo, Freddy

Ramirez, Erasmo

Rodriguez, Guilder

Sandoval, Juan

Shanks, E.J.

Stocker, Mel

Turnbow, Derrick

Ungs, Nic

Wahpepah, Josh

Woodward, Chris

 

I have not attempted to verify the accuracy of the list, but it seems near spot-on. Many of those players will be free agents, as indicated in this thread.

[dadofandrew]

Other than Cain, not many guys need to be added, it would appear.

[brewjihad]

Other than Cain

 

Probably have to throw Aguilar in there as well, someone might take a shot at him if he's made available. But yeah, those two are the only obvious ones. Depends what they think of Narron and Miller, as well as Michael Bell.

 

Not really related, but I'm curious to see what happens to Derrick Turnbow.

[trwi7]

I think Alex Periard would be a definite add.

[DannyKmilw]

Im guessing from that list:

 

The four that are going to be playing in the AFL, Cain, Periard, Aguilar and Welch.

 

Maybe Miller or Narron.

 

Im hoping Heether(a younger Joe Dillon, IMO).

[dadofandrew]

I don't see anyone taking a low ceiling guy like Heether.

[And That]

Cain definitely, and most likely Aguilar and Periard. Otherwise, I don't see anyone who would be a real asset to a major league team unless someone has a favorable scouting report on the ability of Welch or Miller to get out big league lefties.

[colbyjack]

I think Aguilar is the biggest no-brainer on that list. How many times do you see teams take a chance on a raw arm in the Rule 5 draft? I would guess that is the type of player that is taken most of the time, and since Aguilar made it to AA, there is no way he wouldn't end up on someone else's 40-man roster.

 

There's a chance he's pitching in Milwaukee by the end of next year.

[DannyKmilw]

Thanks Al I dont think he'd get selected either, but I just think he would be a good fit on the team in a utility role over Dillon and Counsell and I would protect him. I'd want him on my team in that utility role(I was hoping).

[JoeHova]

I wonder if there is any chance Mark Rogers gets protected. IIRC, they've protected injury prone guys in the past, but I guess it will all come down to how much room they have and whether they think anyone else would take a chance on him.

[DHonks]

I would imagine the locks are Periard, Rivas, Rogers, and Aguilar. The next tier would include Cain, David Johnson, Cate, and Mercedes.

[trwi7]

I think Cain is a lock. No way they leave a young potential five tool outfielder unprotected. Somebody would take him.

[agent39]

Crossing fingers for Cain/Aguilar.

[PrimeTime955]

Cain, Aguilar are locks. Periard I would say is close to a lock.

 

Rogers is a question. Mike Jones got left off last time, not sure the year before.

[JJHardy7]

I think Joe Bateman will be added to the 40-man. I have a feeling a team would take a flyer on him. I guess it boils down to how the Brewers view him.

[pogokat]

They won't protect Rivas..

 

Cain and Aguilar are near locks...aguilar is the most likely...periard is a maybe---he's projectable, but he doesn't have one enormous tool like aguilar...in other words, there will be a bunch of guys like periard available..

 

welch won't be added unless the brewers really intend to try him in the majors this year...

 

i can't see anyone else on that list, unless the brewers are just dying to keep some of those 7 year guys around..

[And That]

I think Bateman is coming back next year, but as a NRI, not on the 40-man.

[SoCalBrewfan]

With all the FAs on the major league this year, they ought to have plenty of room to protect minor leaguers if they want....Sheets, Sabathia, Mota, Shouse, Gagne, Durham, Kapler (?) will all be off the 40-man roster, at least momentarily...though it may be arby offered and accepted and/or early contracts will re-add a couple of those names before the Rule 5 draft. In any event, that's plenty of open 40-man roster slots to add Cain, Aguilar, Periard, possibly even Welch...and as all have at least sniffed AA and are likely spring training invites, it wouldn't be outrageous to start using options on any of those guys. Aguilar is indeed the prototype Rule 5 choice, a fireballing reliever who could be used as a mopup guy...him or a lefty like Welch or Miller who could be a second loogy or something.

[Diskono]

I wonder if there is any chance Mark Rogers gets protected. IIRC, they've protected injury prone guys in the past, but I guess it will all come down to how much room they have and whether they think anyone else would take a chance on him.

I can't rememeber - is there a rule against picking an injured player, and then stashing him on the DL all season?

[dadofandrew]

Cain would be the easiest guy to keep on a 25 man all year; PR, PH, play defense. Tough to keep anything but an elite pitcher up all year, a hard thrower with high ceiling is about it, and those guys are rarely left unprotected.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

I'll resurrect this thread. The Brewers have less than a week (Nov 20th) to finalize their 40 man roster. If they do not sign any free agents or trade for anyone by then, they will have ten spots available. That is an incredible amount of roster space (which really explains the McGehee claim). I think they will protect Cain, Periard, and Aguilar for sure. After that Rivas, Welch, and Bateman are likely candidates. That still leaves four open spots.

 

The way things are, they may select someone in the draft.

[DHonks]

Al, the Brewers were fairly effective in the 90s with the Rule V draft. Two outstanding picks were Graehme Lloyd and Al Reyes. Jose Mercedes was better than anything we had, so I guess it added talent. I know fairly recently we had Matt Ford who looked good until he that unknown issue.

[AJhawk50]

I can't rememeber - is there a rule against picking an injured player, and then stashing him on the DL all season?

To prevent the abuse of the Rule 5 draft, the rule also states that the draftee must be active for at least 90 days. This keeps teams from drafting players, then placing them on the disabled list for the majority of the season. For example, if a Rule 5 draftee was only active for 67 days in his first season with his new club, he must be active for an additional 23 games in his second season to satisfy the Rule 5 requirements.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ed_before_start_of_season

[Mass Haas]

Link while active, text follows:

 

Brewers must make decision on Rogers

BY PAUL BETIT

Portland (ME) Press Herald

 

After spending the last two summers recovering from shoulder surgery, Mark Rogers may soon receive a new lease on his baseball life.

 

The Milwaukee Brewers, who made Rogers the fifth pick in the 2004 draft, must decide by Thursday whether to put the Orr's Island native on its 40-man roster.

 

If the Brewers don't add Rogers to their major league roster, he will become eligible for the Rule 5 free agent draft, which will be held Dec. 7 during the baseball's winter meetings in Las Vegas.

 

"We either have to place him on our 40-man roster or he gets exposed and another team can claim him for $50,000," Milwaukee general manager Doug Melvin explained, in a recent telephone interview.

 

No matter what happens during the next three weeks, Rogers, a right-handed pitcher who signed a $2.2 million contract five years ago following his graduation from of Mt. Ararat High School, intends to return to the mound next season.

 

"I'm not done," he said. "I'm either going to be with the (Brewers) or with somebody else."

 

Rogers, who was in Maine for a recent visit, hopes he will be able to stay with Milwaukee.

 

"I really want to stay with the Brewers," he said. "We've come a long way together, and I have a lot of trust in them, and I hope they feel the same about me."

 

Melvin, who was running the Brewers at the time the club drafted Rogers, remained noncommittal.

 

"We won't know until next Thursday," he said. "We need to get some more input from our staff."

 

Rogers, who turns 23 in January, has not pitched in a baseball game since July 2007 when he injured his right shoulder while playing for the Brevard County Manatees in the Class A Florida State League.

 

The following January, he underwent surgery to repair a torn labrum and tighten a loose ligament.

 

Last June, Rogers underwent arthroscopic procedures to remove scar tissue that developed after the earlier surgery.

 

"A lot of people will have this kind of surgery and the scar tissue will break up naturally over time, and mine didn't," he said. "It was a real easy surgery, so I came back and I instantly felt a hundred times better. I had full range of motion and a full arm path, and I just felt like I did before the surgery."

 

In early August, Rogers, whose fastball has been timed in excess of 100 miles per hour, began throwing a baseball again.

 

When play in the fall instructional league ended last month in Arizona, where Rogers lives, he was up to throwing 45 pitches per session.

 

"I haven't seen him throwing to hitters, but from a rehab standpoint he's done well," Melvin said. "He's worked hard."

 

Melvin is impressed with how optimistic Rogers has remained through nearly two years of physical rehabilitation.

 

"The toughest part is the psychological part for a young player is not to get discouraged," he said. "He's starting to see some progress."

 

If Rogers is exposed to the Rule 5 draft and isn't claimed by another major league team, the Brewers retain the rights to him.

 

If another major league baseball team does claim Rogers in the December draft, it must assign him to their 40-man roster and he must spend the first 90 days of the next baseball season with the major league team.

 

Note: Unless there's been a change in the CBA, that fact seems incorrect. -- Jim

 

"It's hard for me to be in this position because there's nothing I can do," Rogers said. "The only thing I can control is what I can control. For the last year and a half, it's been rehab and showing that I am healthy now and can get back on track to where I was before."

[yoshii8]

I hope they put him on the 40 man roster, I'd hate to see the Brewers give up on him already.