The CC Watch... Latest: Who knows?

[bjkrautk]

Winning = attendance= profit

 

We still would have drawn close to 3 million this year, even without CC. Mark spent the cash and said he isn't going to make money this year.

 

Either he's full of it, or he'd rather win than make big money.

There are two kinds of profit when it comes to baseball franchises: operating profit/loss, and the underlying value of the franchise.

Mark A. may have taken a paper loss for the 2008 Brewers, but he did wonders for improving the value of the franchise were he to sell the team.

 

Compare the purchase price for the Brewers when Selig bought the Pilots, and compare that to the selling price to Mark A -- MLB franchises are good long-term holds for most investors....if only because there are so few of them.

[zzzmanwitz]

for anyone that doesn't read Brew Crew Ball... very interesting view.

 

http://www.brewcrewball.c...11/19/665498/cc-s-choices

[clancyphile]

Would you rather have:

A. CC (20+mil), Suppan (12), Gallardo, Parra, Bush

or

B. Cain (7mil?), Burnett (15), Gallardo, Parra, Bush with Suppan being dealt somewhere.

I choose C.:

CC (20 million), Sheets (13.5), Gallardo, Parra, Bush/Suppan

[WisconsinSportsRule]

According to realgm, the Dodgers are close to offering between 110 to 120 million for 6 years.

 

http://www.realgmbaseball...rs_close_to_offer_for_cc/

[clancyphile]

Not comparable to the Yankees. The only advantage is being close to "home" for CC. The tax hit would be big in CA, though...

 

I'm starting to think the Brewers have a very good chance of keeping CC.

 

If Sheets can be had for Dempster money... they'd have the best rotation in baseball.

[Team Canada]

110/6 wouldn't even be as good as the Brewers offer.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Even if Sheets can be had for Dempster money there is no way that we would pay that if we were able to sign CC. The only way we will talk contract with Sheets is when we know that CC is for sure gone. Even then the chances of bringing back Sheets are very low. That would be a dream rotation though.

[kmcasper23]

I am starting to get the feeling that CC is not going to sign with the Yankees. I really believe that nobody else is even gonna touch that contract offer and if he hasn't signed it already I think he just doesn't want to play for them. I don't blame him. I don't think I would play for the Yankees either no matter what money was offered. The Yankees represent everything that is wrong with MLB and to see them lose out on the top free agent even though they offered the farm for him!

[PrinceEatMeat]

CC will take that money from the Yankees if either Melvin doesn't up his offer, or the Dodgers and Angels stay out of it. If the Dodgers or Angels offer money close to what the Yankees offered he is going back home. If not, then we will probably see him in pinstripes sadly, because Melvin isn't gonna up his offer enough to make a difference, even though a few more million per year might do it.

[danzig6767]

Something is up. The silence is deafening. My guess is CC wants no part of NY and was planning on just using the Yanks to get the most out of Milwaukee or some other west coast team. You know the union is in CC's ear constantly. I'm sure his agent wants him to take the Yanks offer. There very well could be internal issues between CC, his agent, and the union. Why else would they be stalling?

I think the union pressuring CC aspect might just be overrated somewhat. If say the Yankees 140 million dollar offer ends up being the highest Sabathia gets, it really doesn't end up doing anything precedent setting.

 

Last year Santana got 137 million over six seasons, so if Sabathia took the 140 million from the Yankees, all he's doing is pretty much taking the same offer Santana got and not raising the bar for elite starting pitcher free agents. If the Yanks had trumped the Santana contract by 10-20 million, then Sabathia would be getting a precedent setting contract that could raise the bar in the future for other free agent starting pitchers.

 

Obviously i'm sure the union would prefer that CC takes whatever the highest offer ends up being, but as of right now, it doesn't look like any contract will be offered to Sabathia that changes the salary structure for potential free agents in the future.

 

My guess though is he'll end up on one of the California teams so long as he gets an offer in the 100 million or higher range and it looks like he will. That i couldn't blame CC one bit for. If i was in his shoes and knowing that regardless of the offer he chooses from, he'll be getting at least 100 million guaranteed dollars, my first priority by far would be to take the offer from the team/city i wanted to play in most because i'd be silly rich either way.

[Baseballer]

great article on yahoo..

 

looks like this is going to be a bidding war afterall http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/frown.gif

[Oldcity]

I don't understand why the Brewers wouldn't make that 5/100 deal into a 6/125 deal.

I'd actually prefer they go the other way. My counter offer would be 4 years/100 mil. I think that might be more attractive than 6/125, and it is less of a long-term risk for the Brewers.

[fondybrewfan]

It might not be a bad idea for CC to take 4 years rather than 6. If he is still a Top 5 who knows how much if a salary he could get in 4 years. He could be running the risk of playing for far under market value for years #5 and #6 if he takes a 6 year deal. He would be taking a risk that he remain healthy and productive though.

[1992casey]

great article on yahoo..

 

This one?

 

Sabathia bidding war about more than money

[jjfanec]

great article on yahoo..

 

looks like this is going to be a bidding war afterall http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/frown.gif

The article actually leaves me a little optimistic. One of the other big rivals is supposed to be the Dodgers and their offer according to the article is 6 years around 110 million. Our 5 year 100 million offer is better than that per year especially if you factor in cost of living. We could at least match that deal considering our starting point. Outside of that the rest of the teams in the "bidding war" are just speculation. He says Boston will be in because the Yankee's are but I think Boston is smarter than that. They want to land Tex and they have good pitching with Dice-K, Beckett, Lester and their young kids. He think the White Sox, Tigers, and Mariners should be in, but there is not a lot of indication they are as of yet and CC said he wanted to get this done fast.

I think the odds of us getting CC have gone up since the season ended. However, I want this to happen fast so we can move on if he ends up somewhere else.

[sbrylski]

It might not be a bad idea for CC to take 4 years rather than 6. If he is still a Top 5 who knows how much if a salary he could get in 4 years. He could be running the risk of playing for far under market value for years #5 and #6 if he takes a 6 year deal. He would be taking a risk that he remain healthy and productive though.

 

He'll demand an opt-out clause way before he'd take ~$40 less guaranteed.

[GAME05]

i'm of the like opinion that the Brewers' strategy is going to have to be a 4-year deal at something above $20M annually, above the average he'd get for a six-year deal. Then you add on a mutual option for a 5th and 6th year to allow him to get his big money elsewhere. definitely he'd take a gamble that he doesn't get injured, but he'd also be getting a way fatter contract by hitting the market again at age 32 instead of age 34.

[Invader3K]

I just wish Melvin could get back in touch with CC's camp. All reports say the two sides basically haven't even talked since the Brewers made their offer, almost three weeks ago. (Aside form CC's agents letting Melvin know they would look at offers from other clubs).

 

Just one of the frustrations of being a fan on the outside looking in at this stuff.

[SeriesFinale]

Maybe I'll drive over to Vallejo and stand outside his compund with my Brewers' jersey and a guitar:

 

"CC please don't go

CC please don't goooooo

CC please don't go, down to Anaheim

You know I love ya so, CC please don't go"

[crewcrazy]

I guess Peter Gammons has a report out saying Sabathia won't make a decision on the Yankees offer until after Thanksgiving weekend. Here's the article from Newsday: http://www.newsday.com/sp...4730nov20,0,4217439.story

 

The Newsday article pretty much dismisses every other team except the Yankees as Sabathia's future destination. They have an anonymous source flat out saying LA can't afford him (although it's easy to say something like that when your name isn't attached), they figure the Angels are too preoccupied with Texeira, and they apparently underestimate the stupidity of Brian Sabean by saying the Giants won't be able to afford both Zito and Sabathia.

[rluzinski]

If Melvin wants to touch base with CC'S Camp, all he has to do is make a competitive offer. As it stands, CC's agent has to be pretty confident that multiple teams will outbid the Brewers. They are probably pretty confident that they'll get a better offer than what they've gotten from the Yankees. Why should they jump at any offer right now?

[fondybrewfan]

I can't imagine that Doug will hold onto the Sabathia hope much longer unless he hears from CC's camp fairly soon. He will have to move on, he can't wait until the middle of December to start Plan B.

[PilprinBuddha]

With SF involved and LA possibly involved, I doubt that We have much of a shot any longer. If he goes to SF, Maybe we can get Cain for Prince or someone else.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Foxsports.com is now reporting that the Yankees have given CC a deadline to accept their contract offer. Here is the link to the story.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/...-have-time-limit?MSNHPHMA

[PeaveyFury]

Good old Hal. About the only way the Yankees can get out bid for CC is if they pull their deal because Hal thinks it's good business sense for some reason.