Jake Peavy

[Invader3K]

Well, I guess we really don't know what we'd have to give up at this point. The Padres don't exactly have a lot of leverage if they want to move him and his somewhat sizable contract at this point. He could just as easily veto another trade, too. If Melvin would have to empty the farm to get him, then I doubt anything will happen. But if he would just have to give up, say, Parra and maybe one lower level prospect, then I think he will pull the trigger.

[bklynbrewcrew]

I really fear that we will overpay to get Peavy. The last thing this team needs to do is clean out the farm system in order to land Peavy who makes too much money for my taste. I would much rather spend the money to lock JJ up long term.

[bobskube]

Parra, Corey Hart, and Taylor Green gets it done and we add Brain Giles in deal too. Padres may have to take Hall for some financial relief as well.

 

Brewers have talked to Barry Axelrod too. They do not want to get in same trouble as White Sox did. If Peavy wants...he can come to Milwaukee. We will see.

[Invader3K]

Parra, Corey Hart, and Taylor Green gets it done and we add Brain Giles in deal too. Padres may have to take Hall for some financial relief as well.

 

Brewers have talked to Barry Axelrod too. They do not want to get in same trouble as White Sox did. If Peavy wants...he can come to Milwaukee. We will see.

 

I'd do that trade in a second.

[bobskube]

Parra is almost definitely a piece in deal. The other names are sketchy...just my guesses.

 

Don't ask for any links because there are none. Like Sabathia...Brewers want to move so this happens in next ten days or chances become far less likely that it happens.

[trwi7]

Parra, Corey Hart, and Taylor Green gets it done and we add Brain Giles in deal too. Padres may have to take Hall for some financial relief as well.

 

Brewers have talked to Barry Axelrod too. They do not want to get in same trouble as White Sox did. If Peavy wants...he can come to Milwaukee. We will see.

 

Have you heard from someone that the Brewers have talked to Axelrod? I don't know if Giles would waive his no trade clause to come here either.

[RyDogg66]

More likely someone like Kouzmanoff comes along in the deal than Giles.

[nate82]

More likely someone like Kouzmanoff comes along in the deal than Giles.

Can Kouzmanoff play the OF? I would rather take Giles but Kouzmanoff would be OK also. I wonder how his stats would look after getting out of the NL West. Right now they are not so good.

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

This trade would really scare me. The contract alone could hamstring the franchise for years let alone the price of the prospects we can't afford to give up.

[edod]

I don't think anybody has mentioned it yet, but could Hart's "mental break" today also be a chance to see if Cat can be productive in his absence?

[bklynbrewcrew]

This trade would really scare me. The contract alone could hamstring the franchise for years let alone the price of the prospects we can't afford to give up.

 

I completely agree with this sentiment. I dont want to have that kind of money tied up into a pitcher with bad mechanics. Also if we trade Hart we will really have a weak lineup. We would be far better off spending our money to lock up guys like Hardy and Gallardo long term. Buying out 2 years of Gallardos free agency years would be a better investment than Peavy. This situation sounds like it has Attansios fingerprints all over it. Melvin is a franchise builder while Attanasio is a go for it kind of owner at all costs. This deal on the heels of the CC deal could really hurt any chances we have of being good beyond 2010.

[kramnoj]

I wouldn't read that much into it. It's common for a manager to pick a guy to get the day game off before an off day so that he gets a two day break. Hart's the guy that may have needed it most.

[CWSOmaha]

I'm on board, I'd do it in a second. Of course I don't have the baseball knowledge that some people on this forum do.

[bobskube]

The Brewers believe move is risky too. However, it is also a perception move if they can pull this off two years in a row too. It also means more butts in the seats, merchandising, and media attention.

 

Believe it or not...sometimes it is not all about what happens on the field.

[bobskube]

And, yes, Giles has no trade clause. However, if Peavy, Gerut, Hoffman, and Cameron are here, he is more likely to agree to trade.

[paul253]

I wouldn't include Parra, but I would include Jeffress and any other pitching prospect they want. To me, it defeats the purpose of acquiring Peavy if you trade the pitcher with probably the second most potential behind Gallardo. I was thinking something like Escobar, Jeffress, Braddock, and Irabarren. If you wanna swap Hart and Giles too, I'd be all for that as well. I was a huge Corey Hart fan, but it seems like pitchers have made adjustments and he hasn't.

[TooLiveBrew]

I want no part of a deal that sends Parra as part of a package for Peavy. Honestly Parra's production going forward shouldn't be all that different from Peavy's recent road stats (thanks to zzzman for posting those; post #599)

[Invader3K]

Believe it or not...sometimes it is not all about what happens on the field.

 

Definitely true. But for this season, I think acquiring Peavy would make the Brewers heavy favorites to not only win the division, but possibly the NL pennant as well.

[TooLiveBrew]

But I think you have to ask yourself if adding a 4-ish ERA pitcher really makes that kind of impact or not.

[Invader3K]

It's not accurate to take his road ERA from this year and assume that will be his total overall ERA for the rest of this season.

 

I could just as easily point out that he has a career ERA at Miller Park of 3.43.

[rluzinski]

Peavy has a career road ERA of 3.82 and he's in his prime now, so it's hard to project him as being anything over a 3.75 ERA pitcher in a neutral park. I'd guess something closer to 3.5.

 

Let's say that Peavy is worth about $17 mil a year on average, over the life of his current contract. Assuming the Brewers exercise the team option for 2012, that would mean that Peavy's contract almost perfectly matches his projected performance. That mean's that whomever the Padres get back in a trade should also be roughly equal to what they are going to get paid. Any pre-free agent player with any talent is going to be worth more than he's getting paid, so I just can't get on board the "Let's get Peavy" train. It will make the Brewers better this year but it's going to bleed too much talent, IMO.

[TooLiveBrew]

I could just as easily point out that he has a career ERA at Miller Park of 3.43

 

I prefer utilizing the 600+ career IP for his road ERA (3.82) than looking at a sample of 21 IP at Miller Park. I don't see anything wrong with calling a guy with a career 3.82 road ERA, & higher road ERAs in both 2008 & so far in 2009, a 4-ish ERA pitcher. It's what Peavy is away from the most extreme pitchers' park in the majors.

[kramnoj]

I don't see anything wrong with calling a guy with a career 3.82 road ERA, & higher road ERAs in both 2008 & so far in 2009, a 4-ish ERA pitcher.

 

So is Bush a 5ish ERA pitcher?

 

It's not uncommon for a player to perform better in their home park. Peavy has certainly benefitted from his, but it doesn't do much good to just ignore that data. It's better to put all performances into as much context as possible.

[bklynbrewcrew]

This team doesnt need to make any moves for pr reasons. We have been selling tickets as well and I just dont see where Peavy would add to the bottom line. We really cant afford to gut our depth for one guy. We did it last year to get CC but we were more deperate then having not made the playoffs for 26 years. I also agree that Parra going forward might not be that much worse than Peavy and for a lot less money. This potential move screams desperation to me.

[Invader3K]

Well, it tells me they're going for it this year.

 

Mark Attanasio wants to bring a championship to Milwaukee. I'd take a strong chance at making the World Series this year, even if it means things might get shaky two or three years down the line.