05/23/2006 Brewers (Eveland) @ Cincinatti (Ramirez) 6:05 PM

[UndraftedFA]

Yeah Carlos Villanueva! I see he was an undrafted free agent...I like it!

[edod]

Carlos with a refreshing inning, ya know why? He actually looked composed, more so than any other pitcher I've seen in the last few days.

[JohnBriggs12]

That was a nice job Carlos. 2 K's, just a harmless single by Hall of Famer going against shift.

 

Mabeus is getting hit around at AA tonight. Why bring him up? I'd rather see Villanueva get a shot at that 5th spot.

[Dmiles23]

Then why wasn't Eveland stretched out a little longer today? I don't think his pitch count was high. They showed 68 pitches not long before they took him out. He wasn't pitching that terribly. If the bullpen needs a break, someone needs to take one for the team.

[JoeH33]

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Yep. All those guys who were up in arms about the 13-man staff and threw a fit when Davis was allowed to start the 8th last week got real quiet in a real hurry.

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I agree with what you're saying, except don't get on people who didn't want Davis to go out for the 8th last week. No one in their right mind except for maybe Dusty Baker would agree that was a smart move.

[JohnBriggs12]

For those that missed it, Villanueva showed good sink on an 89-90 mph fastball, an 81 mph slider that he kept away, tossed in a curveball or two and a change at 70 mph.

[badgerfan.tgf]

Absolute must win tomorrow (part http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/glasses.gif . If we get swept in Cincy we're headed towards a 3-7 roadtrip, at best.

[PeaveyFury]

Then why wasn't Eveland stretched out a little longer today? I don't think his pitch count was high. They showed 68 pitches not long before they took him out.

 

92 pitches for Eveland, actually.

[PeaveyFury]

I agree with what you're saying, except don't get on people who didn't want Davis to go out for the 8th last week. No one in their right mind except for maybe Dusty Baker would agree that was a smart move.

 

I agree that it was a smart move, because Ned was anticipating that Hendrickson probably wouldn't have a long outing the next night and would send the bullpen further into a tailspin, so he wanted to get every ounce out of his starter that was pitching well up to that point to save the bullpen anyway he could. Hey, it turns out he was right.

[And That]

I sit here completely shocked that on May 23rd, Carlos Villanueva and Joe Winkelsas are coming out of our bullpen.

 

All those guys who were up in arms about the 13-man staff and threw a fit when Davis was allowed to start the 8th last week got real quiet in a real hurry.

 

While I agree that the horrid starting pitching contributes to the need for a larger pitching staff, I still have a problem with the 13-man staff. That problem is, the 12th and 13th guys on the staff have been horrible - if the Brewers can't find 13 good pitchers to put on their roster, they shouldn't be there just to be there. What I find especially disturbing is that Chris Demaria and Justin Lehr have about the same, or more, innings pitched than Wise or Kolb. Wise and Kolb are both on pace for 50 or fewer innings pitched this year - it's not like they've been overworked, especially in Wise's case. The only guy who I see as being overworked in Capellan, and at times Turnbow.

 

Capuano, Davis and Bush can't be blamed for copious short outings. In fact, the staff as whole only has about a half dozen starts off less than 5 IP, and about another have dozen starts less than six but at least 5. One out of every 8 or 9 starts going less than 5 innings isn't that out of whack. While some might be bunched up, the sometime disuse of Wise and Kolb as made it seem worse than it is, IMO.

[brewmann04]

Brewers can be headed down another losing record on this road trip

[bucksman4]

Like previously said and totally ignored by you, ya think the bullpen MIGHT potentially be sucking because they have to throw 6 innings a night, 5 times a week?

 

First of all, I do not consider Lehr's *almost* 4.00 ERA anything to get all excited about. That is not a great ERA for a quality bullpen pitcher.

 

If the bullpen is sucking so badly, isn't that a reflection of our starting pitching staff as a whole? The only player who is better or the same as he was last year is Capuano. Our #2 guy is Davis. He's having horrible command issues and his 5.14 ERA is pathetic. What's even worse is his inability to get into the 7th inning this season (2 out of 10 starts he has gotten 7 IP in). Bush has been a very big disappointment for us and the AAA pitchers who fill in #4 and #5 spots cannot be counted on. So how can this team get any better? I see a gradual decline coming because of this.

[brewmann04]

wheels are falling off the Crew bullpen and it does not help that only 2 starters can get to the sixth ining

[hawing]

This Brewer pitching staff is just battered to snot.

 

Well said, Jamie (if not appetizingly said).

 

Did anyone else get the feeling at times tonight that it was Junior single handedly taking it to the Crew? Honestly, when Ueck said on the radio that he robbed Jenkins of that deep hit and then "went down", I was half hoping he was hurt. (For the sake of the Brewers, not because I'm that kind of ill wisher.)

 

Let's just get through May.

[iluvlamp]

I love to hate this team. I am going to take a 5 day break. No sports radio. No online activity. No Online surfing. NOTHING! I believe this will be good for my sanity. I think others should do the same. Good job Villy. btw.lol

[badgerfan.tgf]

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Good luck with that...I have a feeling by the time you come back this board will be having a complete meltdown. The rest of the week looks anything but promising.

[bucksman4]

I love to hate this team. I am going to take a 5 day break. No sports radio. No online activity. No Online surfing. NOTHING! I believe this will be good for my sanity. I think others should do the same. Good job Villy. btw.lol

 

That sounds quite refreshing. I will be in Cancun for the next 7 days (I know most of you are crying...because of joy) but I will only be able to see the scores if I see them on the bottom line on "ESPN Dos" before I turn in. I hope we're still at .500 or above when I get back June 1st.

[endaround]

Peavy and Ned--losing today in order to lose by less tomorrow! Putting Davis in lessened your chance of winning on Saturday. Why do it? Wise didn't pitch Sunday anyway. Capellan had to come in Saturday anyway. It was stupid to try to save pitchers who won't pitch much in a blowout to save them for a blowout. Ned hoped Davis would get through it. Managing to the best case scenario is foolish.e

[rluzinski]

Couldn't agree more, end. You play for the game you are playing. Davis shouldn't have been set up to fail, IMO.

[PeaveyFury]

Peavy and Ned--losing today in order to lose by less tomorrow! Putting Davis in lessened your chance of winning on Saturday.

 

Endaround: Losing every game this week because his bullpen is too tired to keep a single game close!

 

I'll take a lessened chance of winning on Friday when Davis pitched over a lessened chance to lose each game for the next week, but apparently you disagree.....

 

The fact is, Ned accurately was cautious with his bullpen because of the possibility that Hendrickson would have a short start on Saturday. Hey, he did have a rediculously short start, taxing the bullpen to the point that they haven't recovered yet. Some people here are just too stubborn to acknowledge that what Ned did made total sense.

[PeaveyFury]

You play for the game you are playing.

 

A hah! So those people that were up in arms for using Turnbow in 5 of 6 games or whatever it was like yourself are completely and totally out of line, because the Brewers were rightfully playing to win each of those 5 games, correct?

 

Anyone who doesn't plan for down the road a ways with their staff usage is going to fail, and I'm pretty shocked that you don't think that way...

[rluzinski]

The fact is, Ned accurately was cautious with his bullpen because of the possibility that Hendrickson would have a short start on Saturday.

 

If Hendrickson has an unusually short start, that means he did very poorly and the probability of winning that game is probably pretty small. You want to leverage the probability of winning a game you already have the lead in to increase the odds of winning a game that is, for all intents and purposes, already a lost cause?

[PeaveyFury]

If Hendrickson has an unusually short start, that means he did very poorly and the probability of winning that game is probably pretty small.

 

Indeed.

 

You want to leverage the probability of winning a game you already have the lead in to increase the odds of winning a game that is, for all intents and purposes, already a lost cause?

 

Why are you limiting it solely to Saturday's game? You don't see how having the bullpen pitch 9 innings that day has lead to losing games over the following week?

[whizkid]

Don't have anything to add other than can somebody please learn that Cincinnati has just one t and 3 n's.

 

My son got 4 free tickets from the Brewers today as part of the Student Achiever Awards. On the form we send in to pick the games, 4 of the games are against the Cincinatti Reds. Someone at the Brewers didn't achieve as a student apparently.