Power 50 - August Edition Up Right Now!

[pogokat]

Efrain Nieves is on the list 7 times

[sbrylski]

Eric Fryer anyone?

[pogokat]

i don't recall seeing that name...

[homer]

well that would be an oversight http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[sbrylski]

1 hour, 20 minutes and counting until tomorrow...

[pogokat]

should be about 30 minutes now...

[bullox]

1 hour, 20 minutes and counting until tomorrow...

Check out the date and time of your post. Strange.

[sbrylski]

1 hour, 20 minutes and counting until tomorrow...

Check out the date and time of your post. Strange.

Wow, that is freaky. Maybe we do need a BrewerFan.net Big Brother Watch that Brian joked about in the Cuil thread...

 

[TheCrew07]

Excellent work as usual gentlemen, and usual I'm not going to nitpick rankings that pretty subjective anyway.

[Chio151]

Glad to see Jeffress making such good progress. That K rate is insane. Now, if he can just polish off the rough spots...

 

But man, that PTBNL is a real nightmare at this point.

[EbbaStClaire]

Thanks for another P50 effort. The controversy over who is a prospect or not is a lot of fun. To add to that controversy I'll argue that Steve Chapman is not a prospect and should not be included and Corey Frerichs should be included even though his walk rate is to high; his K rate is terrific and he had a wonderful outing last night. Bull was effusive in praising Frerich's 3 innings during the broadcast. Frerichs along with Fryer were terrible in Helena last year and have made great strides. Hard to judge a draft on short season stats.

[bork]

And Captain Lou quietly disappears from the Power 50 without a mention.

[TheCrew07]

Now that you mention him, it's odd that he's not back yet, I thinking mid June early July for his return.

[pogokat]

I mentioned him in the intro...he's 26 and he's missed the whole season..

[Mass Haas]

Cap'n Lou is expected to DH some games this August, but that's about it. A lost season, for sure.

[rotoherb]

Love the P50 and I don't want to sound picky, but just out of curiousity, how is third round pick Logan Schafer ranked ten spots behind eighth round pick Erik Komatsu? I've never seen either play, but based on draft status and performance, I would have thought it to be reversed.

[dadofandrew]

Cole is 24 and plays LF/RF, and has a 865 OPS

 

Michael is 21 and plays CF, and has a 840 OPS.

 

I am very puzzled as how Gillespie can even be considered close to Brantley, and above is just off-the-charts head shaking. I must be missing something.

[colbyjack]

I appreciate anyone being a big fan of any prospect and going out of their way to profess their love for said prospect, and I look forward to the prospect you choose to take a shot at for being ahead of Brantley next month on the P50 (last month it was Taylor Green).

 

Gillespie is older, and Brantley's success and overall polish throughout his minor league career is very, very impressive. However, to me, it's quite simple: Gillespie has 51 extra-base hits this year while Brantley has 20. I know Brantley only had 6 ABs during the month of July while Gillespie was just shy of 100, but I doubt that difference would be that much smaller had Brantley been healthy.

 

Statistically speaking in the Southern League, Gillespie is currently tied for 1st in doubles (with Gamel), 5th in walks and total bases, tied for 8th in HR, and is 13th in both SLG and OPS. His OBP (and SLG, and OPS for that matter) obviously would be much higher if it weren't for his .273 BA, which is the biggest statistical category that separates him from Brantley.

 

And for the record, Brantley's OPS is .828, but I don't bring that up to take a shot at him.

 

I said the same thing last month, and I'm sure I'll say the same thing next month, but there's no shame for a player with almost zero power being the #8 prospect in a pretty strong system. And before someone chimes in pointing out that power is often the last tool to develop, how often do you see a player with no power in the minors developing some in the majors?

[twobrewers]

I was wondering when dadofbrantley was going to chime in! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

 

Until Brantley reached MLB, this argument will never be settled.

[dadofandrew]

Considering one scout said Brantley was a better long-term prospect than Laporta, I just can't believe Gillespie can be mentioned in the same breath.

[And That]

Green, Gillespie... next month it has to be Lucroy, doesn't it? I'm willing to put 3:2 odds on it.

 

Brantley just doesn't have much power, and he's not a very good CF. Errecart walks more than Brantley, and has much much more power. He's older, yes, but it's a head scratcher to see it as a head scratcher.

 

And I'm sure if you tried hard enough, you could find a scout to say "x is better than y" for any two upper echelon prospects, so I don't think that argument holds much water.

[pogokat]

well, baseball america said he was a 4th outfield prospect...

 

it's subjective...i like caleb gindl and lo cain more than brantley myself

[jimmyb1799]

And before someone chimes in pointing out that power is often the last tool to develop, how often do you see a player with no power in the minors developing some in the majors?

Grady Sizemore comes to mind.

 

Edit: Pared down quote. Please watch what you're quoting. - Toby

[colbyjack]

Sizemore had some power in the minors, as he's nowhere close to a fair comparison. He had 23 doubles, 8 triples and 8 HRs in 418 AAA ABs, 26 doubles, 11 triples and 13 HR in 496 AA ABs and 40 doubles, 11 triples and 5 home runs in 879 A-ball ABs. And while he wasn't hitting for as much power as he is now, everyone could see that it would come eventually. Here's what BA had to say about him when he was rated the Indians top prospect after his season at AA:

 

His power is coming quicker than expected, as he stroked 13 homers last year after totaling six in his first three seasons. There's a lot more to come, as he was an EL all-star at the tender age of 20.

 

You just don't hear the same kind of things in any of the scouting reports that talk about Brantley.

 

And I don't bring this up to knock Brantley, not at all, because I still stress that being ranked 8th is pretty high praise, but I still can't think of a guy who had as little power as he does in the minors that developed enough to be at least a MLB average OF.

 

I think his upside is somewhere in the Darryl Hamilton range, and while there's nothing wrong with that, I try to stress that is his upside, and that upside doesn't compare to what Gillespie's (or Green's) is, regardless of their age relative to level.

[BrewCityUnit]

Sorry if this is obvious but where is our #1 draft pick, the kid from Canada. Has he not signed yet? If so, where would he be on the rankings if he was signed and playing?