Fielder to the Angels in the offseason?

[piccione88]

Gamel can hit .300, but he just does not have the power to be a great firstbaseman. He could be something like Overbay, a high average, lots of doubles, Gamel will probably have a little bit more pop as far as homeruns go but still not a perenial 30 homerun type of player. I am not saying that Gamel would not have alot of value at first base, but it would be a fraction of his value at third base, or even the outfield esspecially right field if he cant handle third base, which I think he will be able to.

[Never Outhustled]

Lyle Overbay's full season line in his first full year of AA. Now I know Gamel is putting up slightly better numbers thus far, but I think some forget that he is doing it in....AA.

You need to take park effects into account. Overbay and Gamel are on opposite ends of the spectrum there. Nobody puts up a line like Gamel is in the Southern League. The only other guy to do it in recent history was Miguel Caberra, and he ended that season batting cleanup for the WS champs.

 

Also, Fielder has just a 854 OPS, and its the end of July. Thats not impressive for a guy with no defense.

[colbyjack]

Fielder to the Giants still makes the most sense to me. He's a perfect fit for what they need and what they have (supposedly) in trade given their young pitching. The Giants aren't opposed to dealing with Boras in contract negotiations, have seemed to be involved in trade rumors with both Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum, and Fielder would have a lot more opportunities to hit the ball into McCovey's Cove in a stadium tailor-made for left-handed sluggers.

 

Plus, Fielder vs. Kotchman keeps me up at night http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif.

[interestobserver]

Trading Prince in the offseason only made sense when they had LaPorta. The Brewers lose Sheets and Sabathia in the offseason and can afford to lock up Fielder. If not, they can trade him after 2009.

[TuesdaysWithRillo]

Gamel has 900 OPS potential written all over him and of course he isn't a sure thing, but for $300,000 to $500,000 per year as opposed to 8-10 million per year, it's a pretty good bet that we'd get more bang for our buck with Gamel at 1B. Gamel does have more value at 3B so he should get every opportunity there, but if things are going like they are now with a 40 error 2008 season in AA looming, moving him to 1B at least has to be explored.

 

For those of you not willing to trade Prince, I have a question for you. What is our starting rotation going to be next year?

 

Gallardo

Parra

Suppan

Bush

McClung

 

Is that the rotation you want? Because the odds aren't good that we resign Sheets or Sabathia so that's what you're going to get if we don't make a trade or look in Free Agency. And if you have to pay 40 million to get Jeff Suppan, guys aren't going to be cheap in FA so a trade would be the best option most likely. We also don't really have any pitchers in AA or AAA that are good enough to be in a major league rotation in 2009. Jeffress probably won't be ready until 2010 at the earliest.

[logan82]

Trading Fielder, in my mind, is dependent on what you see next year's team doing. If you think the rotation is taking a huge step back, I think it is a good idea to trade Fielder. I know we don't have a backup ready right now to like we would have had if LaPorta was still in the organization. Gamel has much more value at 3B if he can stick there. I really believe that next season is a step back with Gallardo getting back up to snuff and Sheets/CC both leaving. I think it would be best to take a small step back next year by trading Fielder for something that can help us in 2010.

[TuesdaysWithRillo]

Trading Fielder, in my mind, is dependent on what you see next year's team doing.

Well I would be pretty confident in next year's team if we added another good pitcher or 2 in the Prince trade.

 

Gallardo

Parra

[insert Rays, Angels, or Blue Jays pitcher]

Suppan

Bush

 

That wouldn't be too bad depending on the pitcher that we got in return. I wouldn't mind inserting Adenhart in that spot, but I'd love to get Saunders or Ervin Santana. What is Garland's contract situation? He might be a good fit as an add in to Adenhart to even out the deal. I think our offense could manage without Prince by putting in a big bat like Gamel's, but that is just my opinion.

[MadisonBrewerBlue]

I wouldn't trade Prince for nobody. I want to see Fielder in a Brewer uniform for the length of his arby years and beyond.

[sbrylski]

I wouldn't trade Prince for nobody.

 

I wouldn't either. I'd want something for him.

[Bnowell4evr]

Keep Prince and trade Corey Hart.

 

Corey already rejected a contract proposal from us but no one ever mentions that. He also has terrible plate disclipline plus is a dime a dozen RH batter. His defense has been extremely suspect so I say trade him while his value is still high. I believe in the offseason we could get a Matt Cain caliber player because I believe that is what was offered to Toronto for Alex Rios who put eerily similar numbers to Corey a year ago.

 

Everyone wants to deal our only LH bat in our lineup which boggles my mind so I say why not trade from a strength and move Gamel to Right or Left Field to replace Hart. IMO Brauns made enough strides in Left that I think he could handle the switch to Right if we decided to move him and from everything ive heard Gamel is athletic enough to make the switch.

[RyDogg66]

Fielder and Suppan to the Angels for Ervin Santana and Casey Kotchman.

 

Anyone?

[TheCrew07]

I would definately get behind that deal, Santana is probably the 3rd best pitcher on that staff but a solid #2 type. Similar deal as Shields, minus Shield's great contract but adding Kotchman. Maybe a prospect would have to go with Prince, but I like the idea quite a bit. In fact, RyDogg's idea might be my new favorite trade idea for the off season.

 

Good organizational suggestion nate82.

[NievesNoNO]

Fielder and Suppan to the Angels for Ervin Santana and Casey Kotchman.

 

Anyone?

If I'm Melvin now you have my attention. The only question is now would it make sense for the Angels. They seem to have a pretty good team as it stands and might not need much offense to continue to win that division. Would they part with two big parts to their all ready successful team? Not sure, but I like they idea!

[TheCrew07]

Lame Atlanta....

 

The Angels and Atlanta basically completed a very similar trade to what RyDogg just suggested.

[RyDogg66]

Bummer dude.

[nate82]

I brought this back up because it looks as though the Angels are going to lose out on Teixeira. Trading for Fielder makes a lot of sense for the Angels. But does it make a lot of sense for the Brewers? With the loss of Sabathia and more than likely the loss of Sheets where does Melvin see the Brewers heading towards?

 

If the Brewers believe that they will not be able to compete for the Wild Card (which I believe is completely inane idea) do the Brewers send Fielder to the Angels.

 

Possible players the Brewers could get in return from the Angels for Fielder. Howie Kendrick, Ervin Santana, Nick Adenhart, Brandon Wood, and Anthony Ortega. I wouldn't mind a deal that sends Ortega, Wood, and Trumbo/Willits. Maybe that is a little bit to much for Fielder but it would give the Brewers a CF in Willits and a 3B in Wood or a future 1B in Trumbo. Fielder could be the DH for the Angels and Morales would be their 1B. Ortega could be a good #2 behind Gallardo in 2010. I believe the Brewers would probably have to add a low level prospect in the deal though not 100% sur on that though.

[fleehaw]

While I like Willits, his slugging in the majors makes me think of TGJ. On top of that he's going to be 28, so it's not like he's a prospect. I wouldn't mind him as a throw in to compete with Melky Cabrera in CF (assuming Cameron to Yankees).

 

I've sweetened on Wood lately and since he plays a position of need (3B), it would make sense to target him along with some pitching.

 

I'd prefer Joe Saunders, but any of Saunders/Santana/Weaver would do.

 

Saunders/Santana/Weaver, Wood, and Willits for Fielder, Gilespie/Gindl, Braddock/Anundsen/Periard, and Pena/Dillard.

 

Unfortunately for the Brewers, it probably makes more sense for a team like the Angels just to sign Dunn.

[nate82]

While I like Willits, his slugging in the majors makes me think of TGJ. On top of that he's going to be 28, so it's not like he's a prospect. I wouldn't mind him as a throw in to compete with Melky Cabrera in CF (assuming Cameron to Yankees).

Willits would be a 4th/5th OF on the team and I feel more comfortable with Willits than I would with Gwynn. If Willits could do what he did in 2007 and have a .400 OBP and a .280-.290 average he would be a decent leadoff hitter for the Brewers. This could also help Weeks relax more when in the batters box and attack some more pitches that he can hit instead of working the count all the time.

[NievesNoNO]

If Figgins were available along with some pitching (those named already), I'd maybe consider that.

[Tedaldtada]

After Adenhardts not so great year, I would try:

 

Adenhardt, Figgins/Wood , B level prospect

 

for

 

Fielder and Hall

[Never Outhustled]

Brandon Wood's star has faded. His AAA numbers, when curved for park factors, are pedestrian. He has been awful in his big league call-ups, and was cut from his winter ball team because of awful hitting.

 

If the Angels land Randy Johnson, then I hold out hope for a Fielder for Santana swap, otherwise, I'm not interested.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

Angels (per ESPN) have pulled out of the Tex Sweepstakes. This would seem like an opportune time to trade Fielder to the Angels.

[Never Outhustled]

I'm really hoping Randy Johnson signs with the Angels. That would make it easier for them to send Santana to Milwaukee for Fielder. The Angels really need a lefty power stick. They just don't have anyone.

[RockCoCougars]

The Angels really need a lefty power stick. They just don't have anyone.

 

And the Brewers do?

[twobrewers]

The Angels really need a lefty power stick. They just don't have anyone.

Neither does Milwaukee.

 

(And if you counter that the Brewers could sign Adam Dunn to play 1B - I am going to point out that so could the Angels without giving up Santana)

 

edit: Rockco beat me to it!