200 hits, 100 runs, 100 RBIs

[bork]

I just noticed that Braun is one pace for 198 hits, 92 runs, and 119 RBIs. Only Cooper (82 & 83) and Yount (82) have ever had 200 hits, 100 runs and 100 RBIs in a season. Molitor is the only other Brewer to have 200 hits in a season, but he never had 100 RBIs for the Brewers. Braun could be entering some pretty elite territory.

[Postseason2006]

How about those Nate McClouth apples?

[RickieDROPSbombs]

That would be a pretty astounding feat for Braun to accomplish. Those are dare I say, MVP type numbers if he finishes with those stats.

[RickieDROPSbombs]

After tongiht Ryans final stats project like this:

G AB R H DB T HR RBI BB K SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS

159 657 92 198 42 10 42 119 35 132 14 5 .301 .339 .584 .924

[Roscoe Chill]

MVP? Elite territory? Hogwash...he doesn't take walks!

[TooLiveBrew]

Runs & RBI have much more to do with his teammates than Braun. That said, obviously it looks nice to finish with those numbers http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Ayt]

I'm wondering how many players in history have had 40 2B, 10 3B, and 40 HR in a season. Braun is on pace for that.

[kramnoj]

I'm wondering how many players in history have had 40 2B, 10 3B, and 40 HR in a season. Braun is on pace for that.

 

B-R PI tells me it has happened 6 times. Looks like it happened between 1921 and 1937 with Ruth, Gehrig, Greenberg, elite players like that.

 

I think outfielders used to play more shallow during that time, which is why a guy like Ruth had 136 career triples and a season high of 16. Heck, he had 4 as a 39 year old.

[jjfanec]

Runs & RBI have much more to do with his teammates than Braun. That said, obviously it looks nice to finish with those numbers http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

RBI's do have to do with teammates and thats what makes this so impressive. For the first 2 months of the year no one was getting on base in front of Braun. There was a time when he had 15 home runs and something like 14 were solo shots.

 

[bork]

With Fielder heating up and Braun taking a few more walks, his run numbers should increase.

[Roscoe Chill]

So RBI have more to do with teammates getting on base. But runs have more to do with teammates because they are hitting you in? That makes no sense.

[bullox]

But runs have more to do with teammates because they are hitting you in? That makes no sense.

How does that not makes sense? Sure the batter has to get on base, but then has to rely on teammates to get in. They don't just sneak past the catcher.

 

[Roscoe Chill]

It doesn't make sense because you're saying "big deal you hit someone in, THEY'RE the ones that got on base" out of one side of your mouth and then on the other side you're saying "big deal you scored a run, THEY'RE the ones that hit you in."

 

Sooner or later the guys that do more scoring and hitting in have to looked at as the best players, right?

 

I'm not sure why you decided to quote half of my statement.

[strawbossisevil]

No because a good player surrounded by all bad ones could end up having much worse stats in those areas than a solid player surrounded by other solid players. In many ways those two stats are a reflection of the players around said player, as much as they describe the player himself.

[nikegolf6]

It doesn't make sense because you're saying "big deal you hit someone in, THEY'RE the ones that got on base" out of one side of your mouth and then on the other side you're saying "big deal you scored a run, THEY'RE the ones that hit you in."

 

Sooner or later the guys that do more scoring and hitting in have to looked at as the best players, right?

Do you actually believe this? It's pretty clear, man, if, Braun's teammates are NEVER on base, how can he rack up RBI's? And if his teammates are horrible offensive players, how can they hit him in? Even if his OBP is .500?

 

And about his hits total. It's a fine accomplishment, and Braun's having a pretty good season. But in all of MLB, only 21 players have made more outs this season than Braun. Lance Berkmanhas 13 fewer PA but 51 less outs. The MOST important thing a player (and the only thing he really has direct control over) can do in an AB, is NOT make an out.

[nikegolf6]

How about those Nate McClouth apples?

What does this mean? Braun and McLouth are having very similar seasons.

[Roscoe Chill]

So, you can't judge players with RBI, and you can't judge players with Runs Scored because it's the teammates that are good...can you judge those teammates by their RBI and Runs Scored?

 

Is the ONLY way to judge a player OPS...and subsequently it seems on this board whether or not they walk enough?

 

I'm not being a smart ass, I'm seriously confused. I've read countless times on this board about how RBI and how it means nothing because of teammates effect, but now Runs Scored is the same?

 

It's chicken or egg to me. Either way, Ryan Braun is really good.

[jjfanec]

The idea I have gathered is stats like runs and RBI's are directly related to your team for better or worse. Weeks scores a lot of runs not because he is amazing at getting on base but because he has some good guys behind him, whereas a guy like Brian Giles gets on a ton but is in a bad lineup so he does not score much. RBI's are same way. Ryan Braun is tied for first in NL in extra base hits which should lead to more RBI's but his numbers are a little lower because the top of the order was not getting on-base the start of the year. Ryan Howard has a ton of RBI's because guys are always on base in front of him. If you are going to say RBI's are not a great indicator of a players season, than runs should not count either.

[nikegolf6]

So, you can't judge players with RBI, and you can't judge players with Runs Scored because it's the teammates that are good...can you judge those teammates by their RBI and Runs Scored?

 

Is the ONLY way to judge a player OPS...and subsequently it seems on this board whether or not they walk enough?

 

I'm not being a smart ass, I'm seriously confused. I've read countless times on this board about how RBI and how it means nothing because of teammates effect, but now Runs Scored is the same?

 

It's chicken or egg to me. Either way, Ryan Braun is really good.

Yes Ryan Braun is really good by any measure. But Runs Scored is just like RBI, it really has more to do with whether your teammates hit you in, or are on base so you can hit them in.

 

[cwolf2012]

NDOG, the point is you don't judge ANY of the individual players by those stats. You can judge a team by runs scored and runs against, but RBIs and Rs are not good stats. Really, any counting stat isn't a particularly great way to evaluate a player. It's better to look at rate stats and adjusted comparison stats (VoRP, WARP3, ERA+, OPS+).

[Roscoe Chill]

Weeks scores a lot of runs not because he is amazing at getting on base but because he has some good guys behind him

 

You mean like Ryan Braun? http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

 

Guys, I know what you're saying, but if you look at the statements, you really can't see where I'm coming from?

[cwolf2012]

From what I perceive, you think we're judging the rest of the team on RBIs and Rs and not Braun, and in a sense we are. But as a TEAM, not individuals. Reread my last post.

 

The point is that we aren't evaluating anyone on the team individually by RBIs or runs scored.