CC Sabathia--What else can you say

[MadisonBrewerBlue]

Here is what the Onion has to say........its some funny stuff

 

cc and prince story

[Thurston Fluff]

A CC contract could probably be insured because he has never been injured. Sheets might be another story. IF CC would want to sign a big contract that could be at least partially insured it wouldn't cripple the team if he did get injured. If he under performs that would be another story. That's a risk you take with anyone though.

[SoCal Brew Crew Fan]

To answer the original question...not much. The dude is awesome in every way - great pitcher with nasty stuff who is efficient and goes deep into games, carries a decent bat and has completely embraced his teammates and the fans. Just awesome.

 

The question of do we keep Sabathia and/or Sheets...its just not going to happen, nor should it. I'd love to sign both of them for 6-7 years...but that might be 40-50% of our payroll at a huge risk. I'd go with Yo & Parra as our new studs. We'll still be a playoff contender next year with those two. Melvin will need to explore other options to add another arm or two, but he has players, prospects and money to work with.

 

Brewers fans need to ask - Do we want to be like the Astros? Signing 2-3 name guys and surrounding them with a bunch of stiffs? They'll probably go after Sheets the way they thought about Valverde...thinking they need one player to get them over the hump, when in reality they are very far away. The thought of being saddled with a Zito-like contract is too big of a risk for a team like the Brewers.

[Oldcity]

Houston is a team that really makes me think we need to go for it this year. Houston shouldn't be overlooked. They spend money, but not well. I still think that's where Sheets is going next year. Sheets and a little more makes them very good.

Houston has a barren minor league system and have been joking themselves into a 'one piece away mentality' for a few years now when they should have been rebuilding. If they sign Sheets I don't see them as much better than .500 next year, and doing that would leave them with nothing else to add to the team.

 

[hauser42]

) Just because Sabathia is a big name and had 2 really good starts in a row doesn't make him a better pitcher than Ben. His career ERA is higher than Sheets's, his ERA+ is 116 to Ben's 115, and his career WHIP is 1.26 to Ben's 1.20. Also, Sabathia has never put up an ERA under 3.2 in his career (143 ERA+), while Sheets' 2004 and 2008 campaign so far have been far better than that.

 

 

Wow nothing like missing the biggest fact in all this. CC pitched in the AL were there are better teams and the DH is also in play. Lets also put into play the time Sheets was his evil twin "Brittle Ben" and things are not all that close. Sheets is at this point top 10 pitcher in the majors but CC is above him at this point.

 

CC so far has done the job he was brought in to do. Bullpen guys are really starting to get rest just the opposite of last year and hopefull not fall apart like last year. Brewers get to the playoffs this trade will be good for them no matter what happens to the players they gave up. When you have a chance to make a run you go after it and to get good players you have to give something up.

[Bucky Rules]

Hauser -- while I think you have always significantly undervalued Ben Sheets, I will give you this... you NOW have a compelling argument to make over who is the ace of the staff. And really -- it's a great thing that we could even have that conversation. Even if it's just for a half season before both are gone.

[Team Canada]

This question from the Crasnick chat made me laugh:

 

Ralph (Sampson): Jerry, how hard do you think CC Sabathia could throw a fastball directly into Bret Favre's eyeball?

[Postseason2006]

What else can you say? Cy Young...?

[pitchleague]

Hauser -- while I think you have always significantly undervalued Ben Sheets, I will give you this... you NOW have a compelling argument to make over who is the ace of the staff.

c'mon, now! I thought we established this two years ago! it's Chris Capuano! Do we really need to go through the "ace" discussion again?!?! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[TooLiveBrew]

Thanks for sharing that, MadisonBrewerBlue. Some great belly laughs (for me) in there. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

 

"On Monday, Yost announced that any player who attempted to devour another, no matter how delicious they seemed to appear, would be subject to disciplinary action. However, like many disciplinary measures involving athletes, the decree seemed only to make those involved more cunning."

 

 

It's too bad they missed that Prince is a vegetarian, but it's easy to set that concern aside in a fictional piece.

[RickieDROPSbombs]

CC for 2008 President

[hauser42]

Bucky and Pitch I early stated that I was wrong on Cappy being the ace. At the time he looked he could keep it going. Not afraid to admit when I am proven wrong.

Sheets sure is looking great, but things will always be in the back of my mind with him and inuries.

[davego]

I just want to point out to whomever reads this that I have decided I am willing to spend all Mark's money on resigning CC. I know, that is quite the sacrifice on my behalf...

[logan82]

I question whether we should expect a guy moving from the AL to the NL to lower his ERA. This year so far the ERA in the NL is 4.28 and the AL 4.14. The average batting line in the AL is .264/.333/.411/.744 and the NL .258/.329/.411/.740. I know it seems to make logical sense that with the DH more runs would be scored, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[craigharmann]

CC doesn't throw up......CC throws down.

[rluzinski]

"I question whether we should expect a guy moving from the AL to the NL to lower his ERA. This year so far the ERA in the NL is 4.28 and the AL 4.14. The average batting line in the AL is .264/.333/.411/.744 and the NL .258/.329/.411/.740. I know it seems to make logical sense that with the DH more runs would be scored, but that doesn't seem to be the case."

 

This is the first year it's upside down. Really though, you can't just compare NL to AL ERA anyway. AL batters are also considered better as well. Overall, AL teams spend significantly more money than the NL, so it wouldn't be surprising that they have a slightly higher level of play.

[logan82]

I question it because the difference seems to be minimal over the past 3-4 years. Also average batting lines look to be pretty similar over the last few years. I find that surprising since NL teams have pitchers batting. Unless you are saying that the pitchers and hitters in the NL are the same small step below AL players or that NL pitchers are pretty bad and all the other nonpitchers hitting are more than making up for pitchers hitting. I am not trying to claim I am right,just that I find the stats interesting.

 

ERA differences

2007 .08

2006 .07

2005 .12

2004 .32

2003 .25

 

 

Batting Lines

 

2007 AL.270/.338/.423/.760

NL .266/.334/.422/.756

[jjfanec]

Baseball Tonight guys talked about the possibility of CC winning the Cy Young. They said it was a remote possibility but that he had a chance. Who are the favorites right now? I am guessing Brandon Webb is up there with the 16 wins and a 2.93 ERA. Tim Lincecum has to be up there as well. Zambrano, Dempster and Volquez all will get some consideration depending on how they finish. Dan Haren has been under-appreciated this year. Peavey and Santana have nice ERA's but low win totals so they are out. I think CC and Sheets could jump right up there if they finish strong. I am guessing they both have around 9 starts left but my math could be off. Ben has cooled off a lot lately, so he would need a really nice finish, but if CC pitches like he has been I would have to guess he would be at least top 3

[pitchleague]

well, let's say CC does have 9 starts remaining. And then let's say he wins 8 of those with a no-decision thrown in. And let's say 4 of those are complete games and 2 of them shutouts. And he strikes out 10 batters or more in 3 of those starts. And the other games he allows only 1, 2, or 3 earned runs. Oh, and the Brewers make the playoffs.

 

Hmmmm. Sabathia ends up 14-0 with the Crew, with 8 CG, 4 shutouts, at least 100 k, and an ERA around 2.00 (at worst).

 

That sounds like a Cy Young Award winner if I've ever heard of one.

[rluzinski]

And Webb is going to win 30 games and Chipper will bat .400. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

 

CC has 9 or 10 starts left. Something on the side of optimistically realistc might be 6-2, to finish 12-2. I see him about 6th in the Cy Young vote.

[InBraunWeTrust]

Unfortunately, he is going to be *THE* premier free agent in about 2-3 months, and although I think Mark will make a very good offer, he'll probably dash off to Cali. We need a good late-September beg/chant...

[BrewCrewForever]

It's somewhat of a long shot for CC to take it. But if he can somehow go his final 9 to 10 starts and win all but maybe 1 or 2 while dominating along the way he has to have a good shot.

[rluzinski]

How many Cy Young pitchers have had 15 wins or less?

 

Webb will get his 20+ wins and that will most likely be the end of that:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy

[BrewCrewForever]

What if CC wins 16 like Sutcliffe did in 84' when he won the NL Cy Young in half a season with a 16-1 record?

[phxMILWfan]

Would voters completely discredit or not even look at his performance with the Indians? I know that the numbers aren't great, largely because of his first few starts but the loss total is deceiving and shouldn't be looked at. He was on a bad team. I think if he ends up with 19 or so wins total for the year and stays close to the pace he's on he should win it. That's a big if though. His performance since the trade is nothing short of incredible. Who averages 8 IP and 1.5 ER for a half a season?