Due to Gallardo's injury, time to trade an asset for a good starter

[Oldcity]

What do you gain by giving up Fielder or Hart? If they get a pitcher, it's almost surely going to be with prospects. There can't be more than a few teams who would give up good starters for prospects at this point, and even the Giants will want major league talent for Lincecum. It just doesn't make sense to trade a starting major league player for him, because then you're just weakening another area..

[Never Outhustled]

It just doesn't make sense to trade a starting major league player for him, because then you're just weakening another area..

Its just a question of who you'd prefer starting, Dave Bush or Matt Laporta. The Brewerrs have extra top caliber OF-1Bs, but not enough starting pitching.

[endaround]

So you trade the extra OF-1B who'll likely take 2-3 months to get used to playing in the major leagues.

[davego]

I agree with end...assuming the Giants are Ok with that...

[Never Outhustled]

So you trade the extra OF-1B who'll likely take 2-3 months to get used to playing in the major leagues.

Do they have the same value as established Major Leaguers? I highly doubt we could aquire a top starting pitcher for a prospect, that hasn't happened much historically.

 

This is kind of similar to trading Overbay to open the door for Prince. Only problem was Overbay was not the caliber of player we're suggesting to deal now, so the Brewers only got Dave Bush. The Brewers may have overrated Bush a little too.

[Oldcity]

Not to get off-topic, but Zach Jackson was actually supposed to be the jewel of that trade.

[Big Reed]

I didn't say you would gain anything by trading hart or fielder. What i did point out is if you were willing to trade either player, you would find a lot of teams willing to trade NOW rather than waiting until july.

 

A point was expressed that too many potential trading partners would not be willing to trade us a pitcher now because the y were still in the race.. I disagree and pointed out if we offered up fielder, we'd have teams knocking on our door in two minutes wanting to make a trade. teams won't wait until the deadline to make a trade to acquire somebody like fielder. On the other side of the coin nobody is going to offer the brewers anything before the trade deadline for a guy like Weeks or hall. I believe if hart was offered as part of a trade, you would find many takers who would not wait until the deadline.

 

a lot of people look at a player and say it's early and we need more time to evaluate so we don't need to make a trade now.. I look at players differently. I look at their previous year, spring training and then look at the first 25-30 games to see if the player has made any type of an improvement. A good example would be rRchie Sexson. he was terrible last year. he's forgotten how to put the ball in play and get a hit. it's only 30 games into this season, but Sexson has shone nothing in those 30 games that would indicate he will ever get out of his slump. I look at hall and Weks much the same way i look at Sexson. it's only been 30 games , but in looking at their production from last year, I' m not seeing anything in those 30 games to indicate either player is going to step up another level this year. hall at least looks like he'll hit 30 homers while batting .260. I have no clue what Weeks is going to do. And i think other GMs would also be hesitant to make a trade for Weeks right now based on his current performance.

 

This thread was supposed to be it's time to trade an asset to replace gallardo. if you really want to do it now, you could do it by offering a prized brewer asset which i highly doubt melvin would ever consider. But don't just arbitraily say it's too early and other clubs are not willing to trade right now. the truth is, they are not willing to trade right now for what Doug is currently offering.

 

I personally think Melvin should make a move now and not wait to see how Parra, Villenuava and Bush will pan out. I' m not expecting great things from that trio this year - good things, just not great things. But I know Melvin will wait it out. That's the reality. the brewers need 4 starters who can pitch 200-225 innings to be a play-off team. No matter how well Parra and Villenuava pitch this year, they will not pitch more than 200 innings. I think the brewers have enough offense already and should be willing to trade hart for a 1/2 starting pitcher. but i know that's not going to happen.

[Oldcity]

Fine, then I will change my assessment to: Teams won't trade anyone this early unless they get Fielder, Hart or Braun in return.

 

So still, where does that get you? Are you suggesting that they should trade one of those guys? Because if you aren't, doesn't that put us back at square one?

[endaround]

Do they have the same value as established Major Leaguers? I highly doubt we could aquire a top starting pitcher for a prospect, that hasn't happened much historically.

It happend twice this past offseason in the Bedard and Haren trades.

 

[Invader3K]

Would a team like the Pirates do a trade like LaPorta and Gwynn for Gorzelanny? Maybe. This early in the season? No way.

[twobrewers]

Would a team like the Pirates do a trade like LaPorta and Gwynn for Gorzelanny? Maybe. This early in the season? No way.

I take your point. But the Pirates are really bad. I don't think they care if they are trading in January, May, or June. They know they aren't going to compete.

 

The A's, however, will likely wait to see how the season plays a bit more before auctioning off pieces.

[endaround]

Its not so much this year but whether the Pirates think they have a shot over the next few. Three pitchers that could be had I think are Gorzelanny, Snell, and Greinke.

[DrWood]

Its not so much this year but whether the Pirates think they have a shot over the next few. Three pitchers that could be had I think are Gorzelanny, Snell, and Greinke.

Greinke was on my list of guys I'd love to get during the preseason. He's been too good this season to be available, imo.

I don't think Gorz. or Snell are worth a Laporta or Gamel, and I sure wouldn't want my pitchers to be facing one of those guys in their division for the next 10 years.

 

[aracko]

Id Love Greinke but Id have to think he is untouchable. IF he was expendable I think it would have happened the last 2 years but instead KC Stood by their guy.

[joepepsi]

Why not do something drastic? Hart, Weeks, and Suppan for Aaron Hill and Roy Halladay. Halladay is owed $30 million for 2010 and 2011 + whatever he's getting this year. The Blue Jays need some serious re-working and it's time they question whether spending millions for Halladay is worth it just to finish around .500 again. They actually have a pretty good rotation and bullpen, so I wouldn't be surprised if offers are entertained for Halladay or for BJ Ryan.

[endaround]

So they'll instead spend millions on Suppan?

[nate82]

There won't be a trade until the trading deadline. Its not that Doug Melvin doesn't want to do a trade right now its just that no teams would be interested in a trade right now. I could see the Marlins dumping players since some of their players are entering into arbitration years. Millwood could be traded but he has a huge contract and I doubt the Rangers are going to want to eat some of that contract.

 

In Peter Gammons blog he said that the Rangers wanted Mike Pelfrey, Aaron Heilman, and Deolis Guerra and that was just a negotiation starting point. Talk about over pricing a player.

 

Millwood would be the best fit for the Brewers but I'm just not sure we have the right pieces to trade to the Rangers. The Rangers have a lot of OF depth and infield depth. Not to mention they have some of the best catching prospects.

 

Other options could be Rich Harden. Even though he is injured and he could be coming off the DL soon. He might be the best bet that would be the cheapest for the Brewers to go after. Cheap as in the Brewers wouldn't have to use a lot of prospects to get Harden.

 

I could see Hardy being traded or Gwynn being traded at or before the deadline but everyone else except for maybe Hall and the BP guys could be traded. Hall and the BP guys would be dependent on if we are completely out of the race for a playoff spot.

[Gobias Industries]

Why not do something drastic? Hart, Weeks, and Suppan for Aaron Hill and Roy Halladay. Halladay is owed $30 million for 2010 and 2011 + whatever he's getting this year. The Blue Jays need some serious re-working and it's time they question whether spending millions for Halladay is worth it just to finish around .500 again. They actually have a pretty good rotation and bullpen, so I wouldn't be surprised if offers are entertained for Halladay or for BJ Ryan.

It's an interesting thought. Though stuff like this never happens, it's still fun to play around with. If Melvin was offered that trade, I'm not really sure if he'd laugh it off or accept it in a second. I'm sure that the Blue Jays would much rather have CV or Parra though.

 

Halladay is such a horse. He'd be an awesome addition to any team.

[Big Reed]

that's the problem with baseball and melvin. a trade could be made this week. but the traditional GM wants to wait and see and will wait until july to do something. and by July , we will be so far down and out, we won't need to do anything. it's time to do something now to make up for or oversight this Winter.

[nate82]

that's the problem with baseball and melvin. a trade could be made this week. but the traditional GM wants to wait and see and will wait until july to do something. and by July , we will be so far down and out, we won't need to do anything. it's time to do something now to make up for or oversight this Winter.

Over reaction is never a good thing.

 

[DrWood]

Harden is coming off the DL after good results in his rehab starts. Oakland will have an extra starter.

[nate82]

Harden is coming off the DL after good results in his rehab starts. Oakland will have an extra starter.

He is probably the one to be shipped off. It doesn't look like Blanton is going anywhere.

 

[Big Reed]

Gaudin is the odd man out and headed to a relief role. would the brewers have an interest in Gaudin?

 

To be successful, the brewers need all of their starters to be able to pitch 6-8 innings every time out. these 5 inning performances by parra, Villenueva and bush are killing us. you can't win a division if three of your 5 starters can't pitch pas t the the 5th inning. if you think our relievers are overworked now, just wait another two months.

[Oldcity]

The Brewers need someone better than Gaudin if they want to contend this season. He's no clear upgrade over anyone currently in the rotation.

[MattFlair]

I would have no problem aquiring Gaudin if the price was relatively low simply because he can go deeper into games than 3/5 of our current rotation and will likely be an improvement of them as well.

 

Matt