4/24/08 Phillies (Moyer) at Brewers (Suppan): 12:05 PM CDT

[GormanHarvey]

just a frustrating game because I hoped last night's heroics would get them jumpstarted.

 

Exactly my thoughts. And not only did they lose, but they lost in ugly fashion. The offense did not execute, they had 3 baserunning blunders, and we wasted a gem by Soup with about our 5th best guy out of the bullpen

[bucks2281]

I was in a bad mood until the WSSP post-game show got prank called by a Gabe Gross impersonator. It was hilarious

[datrain711]

Exactly my thoughts. And not only did they lose, but they lost in ugly fashion. The offense did not execute, they had 3 baserunning blunders, and we wasted a gem by Soup with about our 5th best guy out of the bullpen

 

Your 3 sentence recap there should be placed on the front page of the Journal-Sentinel. Sums it up perfectly and saves readers from having to relive this travesty of a game

[datrain711]

lol yost back to his normal habit of attacking a reporter who asked about Riske. I wonder how ornery he'd be if he ran out of coffee

[GormanHarvey]

lol yost back to his normal habit of attacking a reporter who asked about Riske. I wonder how ornery he'd be if he ran out of coffee

I love how Yost acts like he is above reproach

[datrain711]

lol yost back to his normal habit of attacking a reporter who asked about Riske. I wonder how ornery he'd be if he ran out of coffee

I love how Yost acts like he is above reproach

I've been one of his biggest defenders but even I can't handle the way he conducts his press conferences. I understand the last thing he wants to do is answer some stupid questions after a tough loss but at least act like a human being. "HE MISSED HIS SPOT! HE MISSED HIS SPOT WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY?!!

[BrewCrewForever]

I was in a bad mood until the WSSP post-game show got prank called by a Gabe Gross impersonator. It was hilarious

Yeah that was hilarious. He said he wanted to thank Jesus. I laughed quite hard, you could tell it wasn't Gross.

 

[datrain711]

hey if they can go 21-11 in the next month + they can match last year http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[GormanHarvey]

I've been one of his biggest defenders but even I can't handle the way he conducts his press conferences. I understand the last thing he wants to do is answer some stupid questions after a tough loss but at least act like a human being. "HE MISSED HIS SPOT! HE MISSED HIS SPOT WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY?!!

I'm sure it is far from a managers favorite task to go out and deal with the press after a loss, but it is part of the job (a job many would kill to have). Act like a professional. What do I want you to say Ned? That given the options in the bullpen today that you went with the wrong guy and that apparently Riske's spot is the middle of the plate because that is where he seems to throw every pitch

[datrain711]

 

I'm sure it is far from a managers favorite task to go out and deal with the press after a loss, but it is part of the job (a job many would kill to have). Act like a professional. What do I want you to say Ned? That given the options in the bullpen today that you went with the wrong guy and that apparently Riske's spot is the middle of the plate because that is where he seems to throw every pitch

 

that and also his refusal to admit anybody is struggling really eats at me sometimes.

[RyDogg66]

And if you include today he has given up 8 ER in his last 3 2/3 innings. Wow, stellar. But thats who gets brought into a tie game in the 8th when there are about 4 other options. All I am trying to say that Riske should have been about option #4

In Ned's defense, no matter who got brought in the eight inning, if they gave up 2 runs SOME fan would have been saying this, except change the name of the reliever. To sum up, if a manager brings in ANY reliever in a close game, and that reliever gives up runs, it was a bad move by the manager. That's a tough crowd to please.

 

[GormanHarvey]

In Ned's defense, no matter who got brought in the eight inning, if they gave up 2 runs SOME fan would have been saying this, except change the name of the reliever. To sum up, if a manager brings in ANY reliever in a close game, and that reliever gives up runs, it was a bad move by the manager. That's a tough crowd to please.

 

That may be, but I am NOT that fan. If he goes with the best option or possibly even the #2 option and we lose, I will be the first to say that we got beat and that is all there is to it. But he brought in Riske, who hasn't gotten anyone out lately and its not like he is getting beat on good pitches and just getting unlucky, He is getting beat on fat pitches down the middle. I'm sorry, but this particular fan saw it coming when Riske can in for the 8th. Riske just does not have it right now and should not be used late in close games. I really hope he turns it around, but he is not the man right now

[GormanHarvey]

that and also his refusal to admit anybody is struggling really eats at me sometimes.

Exactly. It worries me that is how he treats the problem behind closed doors too. I really hope he doesnt sugarcoat everything to the player the way he does to the press

[mikerollins]

4/11 @ NYM - 2.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K

4/9 vs. CIN - 0.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K

4/5 vs. SF - 1.2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 1 K

4/2 @ CHC - 2.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K

3/31 @ CHC - 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K (save)

 

He was doing very well until Ned decided to throw him for 2 innings in New York, which was the fourth time in the first couple weeks of the season that Ned threw him for more than 1 inning.

Forgive me if this is obvious, but it appears from looking at the above that Riske threw 2 innings against the Cubs and then 1.2 against the Giants 3 days later, and then 2 against the Mets 6 days later. I guess I'm failing to see the 4th?

[datrain711]

In Ned's defense, no matter who got brought in the eight inning, if they gave up 2 runs SOME fan would have been saying this, except change the name of the reliever. To sum up, if a manager brings in ANY reliever in a close game, and that reliever gives up runs, it was a bad move by the manager. That's a tough crowd to please.

 

 

I agree with you right now that in many people's eyes, If a move is successful the player is complimented, if it tanks the manager is criticized. I was at the game last night and my entire section devoted their energy in 5th - 8th inning to talking about how Yost blew the game for not taking Bush out.

[GormanHarvey]

In Ned's defense, no matter who got brought in the eight inning, if they gave up 2 runs SOME fan would have been saying this, except change the name of the reliever. To sum up, if a manager brings in ANY reliever in a close game, and that reliever gives up runs, it was a bad move by the manager. That's a tough crowd to please.

 

I agree with you right now that in many people's eyes, If a move is successful the player is complimented, if it tanks the manager is criticized. I was at the game last night and my entire section devoted their energy in 5th - 8th inning to talking about how Yost blew the game for not taking Bush out.

I know what you guys are saying when it comes to "fair-weather" fans like that - they love it when it works out and berate when it doesn't. But to me it was a huge mistake because in my opinion bringing in Riske into a tie game in the 8th when you have several better options is like bringing your most struggling batter into PH for the most crucial AB of the game when you have several better options to PH. Riske is STRUGGLING right now! Take a look at his last 5 outtings

[mikerollins]

Everyone manager makes move all year long that are scrutinized.

 

The reason people hate Ned is because we are good now so moves are scrutinized more.

 

Nobody cared what Trebelhorn, Garner, Lefebvre, Lopes, or Royster did cuz they stunk.

[jhart05]

"I agree with you right now that in many people's eyes, If a move is successful the player is complimented, if it tanks the manager is criticized."

 

Isn't this always the case?

 

If the player does what he supposed to do, the player gets the credit.

 

If said player doesn't, then it's the managers fault.

 

Manager is no-win position.

[GormanHarvey]

At least the sCrubs lost! Finally!

[RoseBowlMtg]

Just got back from the game and the 3 mistakes on the basepaths were huge but how do you throw 0-2 pitches over the plate to Utley and Burrell. Is it just because I see so many of our guys go fishing for balls in the dirt other teams swing at bad pitches too, see Turnbow's K's last night. This one is on Hall, Rickie for going on first move, Hart for having the ball in front of you and still making the first out at 3rd and Riske/Kendall for serving up fat pitches on 0-2 counts. 1 run vs Moyer is a joke and Digger Phelps had a big bottle in a bag! hmmmmmm?

[GormanHarvey]

Just got back from the game and the 3 mistakes on the basepaths were huge but how do you throw 0-2 pitches over the plate to Utley and Burrell. Is it just because I see so many of our guys go fishing for balls in the dirt other teams swing at bad pitches too, see Turnbow's K's last night. This one is on Hall, Rickie for going on first move, Hart for having the ball in front of you and still making the first out at 3rd and Riske/Kendall for serving up fat pitches on 0-2 counts. 1 run vs Moyer is a joke and Digger Phelps had a big bottle in a bag! hmmmmmm?

Digger was actually there? Couldn't agree more with your summation of the game. Riske cannot be trusted right now. I like Hart a lot, but I don't see the same fire as last year. Its early and you already have todays baserunning blunder, him failing to be ready to throw home on a very shallow fly to right and then making a poor, rushed throw to allow 2 runs to score on the play, and then him AGAIN not being ready to throw home on another shallow fly to right against the Cards the other night and luckily the man at 3rd didn't try to score

[Ennder]

The team needs Riske to turn it around so I have no problems with it. I don't have any more faith in McClung, Turnbow or Torres than Riske. Gagne was being held for the 9th. The only other choice was Mota who has pitched a lot.

[GormanHarvey]

The team needs Riske to turn it around so I have no problems with it. I don't have any more faith in McClung, Turnbow or Torres than Riske. Gagne was being held for the 9th. The only other choice was Mota who has pitched a lot.

I sure hope Riske can turn it around. I don't like it when we experiment to see if he can turn it around in a tie game and it costs us the game. I would take Torres any day of the week over Riske

[crewcrazy]

4/11 @ NYM - 2.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K

4/9 vs. CIN - 0.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K

4/5 vs. SF - 1.2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 1 K

4/2 @ CHC - 2.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K

3/31 @ CHC - 1.0 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K (save)

 

He was doing very well until Ned decided to throw him for 2 innings in New York, which was the fourth time in the first couple weeks of the season that Ned threw him for more than 1 inning.

Forgive me if this is obvious, but it appears from looking at the above that Riske threw 2 innings against the Cubs and then 1.2 against the Giants 3 days later, and then 2 against the Mets 6 days later. I guess I'm failing to see the 4th?

Miscounted since I was doing it in a hurry...my bad. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif I'll fix the original post.

 

[trwi7]

Ugh did anybody watch Brewers Squeeze Play? Ann Carroll, AHHHHHHHHHHH!!