4/21/08 Cardinals (Wainwright) at Brewers (Villanueva): 7:05 PM CDT

[endaround]

Yep

[JrDave2304]

I guess I really cannot see how you guys are blaming this on Ned.

[pebadger]

My 10-year-old-daughter has taken to calling our former closer Turdbowl, "because he stinks".

 

She sat through the meltdown in the HHH Baggie-dome last season, and I guess she's been carrying that around all year. I couldn't be more proud.

[TooLiveBrew]

I assume Stetter isn't available tonight?

[bobskube]

A few of you guys will still back Turnbow.

 

The guy FLAT OUT STINKS! We don not need this clown. Last year, we were desperate, but this year we will fill his spot very needily.

[tristarscoop]

Turnbow with a K?!?!?!

[jjfanec]

Really you cant see how using probably our worst reliever in the 9th inning of a tie game is a bad idea?

[iluvlamp]

Although I will recognize the Harting...

[TooLiveBrew]

Very nice to see TBow get himself back together there -- his slider, dare I say, looked like he was locating it.

[Ennder]

All I can say is if we miss the playoffs this year Yost better be fired. We have all this young talent and we are going to piss it away because of a below average manager holding us back.

[mastershake76]

I would much rather have Joe Dillon than Derrick Turnbow right now. And yes, I do mean on the mound.

[Marc Newfield of Dreams]

I guess I really cannot see how you guys are blaming this on Ned.

You bring in a guy who hasn't pitched in over a week, while the more reliable and just as rested Riske sits in the pen. Then with 1B open and one out you dont walk Shumaker to set up the DP.

 

Another instance of Ned putting a guy's feelings in front of managing the right way.

[brewmann04]

Turnbow should not be telling his agent anything,except that i need to keep my mouth close cause i am terrible

[bobskube]

So, is that going to be it for the whining from Turnbow that his 10+ ERA only gets to come in during garbage time?

The problem is, it's really hard to be effective when you never get to pitch. I'm not saying he's good, but the coaching staff isn't even giving him a chance to succeed.

 

Stop it...please stop it. He is a professional that lost opportunities because he did things just like tonight. terrible.

 

[tristarscoop]

Is it wrong that I'm a little upset that didn't go worse? I feel like this is going to be used to justify keeping him.

[iluvlamp]

TLB you are ever the optimist:)

[twobrewers]

I still think Turnbow can be an effective reliever. But Yost doesn't really trust him. Turnbow is unhappy. Turnbow gets booed all the time at Miller Park.

 

I am not so much against Turnbow as I am for Stetter.

[tristarscoop]

Bill explained why we didn't walk Schumaker. We were hoping to avoid Pujols - who was in the whole.

[JrDave2304]

We've used basically everyone in our bullpen over the last day or two. There really wasn't another option. Maybe Riske, but he was pretty shakey his last time out too.

[iluvlamp]

RALLY CAPS!!!!

[TauPentaRei]

Really you cant see how using probably our worst reliever in the 9th inning of a tie game is a bad idea?

funny how we just got 3 straight days of brenneman in cincy saying since there is not a save opportunity for the home team in a tie game, you start by using your best relievers to extend the tie and work towards the worst (that's why they went Cordero / Weathers / etc)

 

[brewcrewkid14]

I just looked at his game logs. Gagne has never once in his career pitched 5 straight days much less 8 or 9. He has pitched forurtimes in a row about 5 times in his career(wasn't actually counting that).

 

Yeah, I was looking at that too. Wierd. Guess I'm going take what she says with a grain of salt next time...

 

I know everyone's getting on Yost for the Hart baserunning mistake, but I'd say more than 50% out of the time the contact play works, and it was Hart's fault that he didn't stay in that rundown long enough to get Hall to second.

 

And Hall doesn't even the ball in the air in the first place either. I know he's not the greatest manager, but I don't think today's loss goes on him like some of his previous losses (especially some last year).

[Sheets4theHOF]

i don't think this can be classified as a straight yosting. corey hart catches a fly ball this isn't a problem.

 

then again.... he probably would have brought in gagne who would have likely blown a save so that would have been a yosting.

[Marc Newfield of Dreams]

It doesn't matter. In that situation you have to play for the DP. You can't concede a run because Pujols is two batters away.

[mastershake76]

Come on, crew, get one here. I hate to have to go out with the pitchfork-wielding mob two nights in a row.