Is Cleveland desperate enough to inquire about T-bow?

[TooLiveBrew]

Sizemore cannot be had for anything. Why even bother discussing him when you know that he is an untouchable.

You said "Cleveland is really bad." Not, 'CLE is a bad trade partner for us'

[Gopher74]

Turnbow for Marte would be an interesting deal. Marte used to be a prized prospect and is still under 25. he can play third and first.

 

Some more eye opening deals would be Turnbow for Sowers or Miller. I'd even take Cliff lee. he seems to have gotten his old stuff back. Shoppach would be a very nice back-up catcher. We trade a back-up reliever for a back-up catcher. I've wanted Shoppach for the last 4 years. Sp Laffey is a guy I like. he split last year between AA and AA with decent results. he's a lefty starter.

 

Cleveland seems to have an abundance of starting pitching prospects at AAA and AA.

 

We are talking about the same team that waived Brandon Phillips and Branyon.

AS much as I like Derrick Turnbow, all of those suggestions are entirely too much for him. Perhaps if we packaged a Tony Gwynn Jr a another guy then maybe, but even then, what use would they have for Gwynn with Sizemore unless they wanted to use him in the corner?

 

And I think your last line means you're being sarcastic, but Phillips just hadn't done much, and a lot of teams have cut Branyon, so you can't hold that against them.

 

[Gopher74]

aracko wrote:

Cleveland is really bad. Outside of Sabathia they have nothing that would help this team as much as a rolling Turnbow would.

I'm still waiting for the blue font to come out. The Indians are one of the best teams in all of baseball and you can't think of anyone other than CC Sabathia that would help this team? How about any of their starting pitchers? How about Fausto Carmona, one of the best young arms in the game, a younger version of CC? How about Westbrook a nice GB type pitcher? How about Lee a consistent middle of the rotation type starter?

 

Blake - Id much rather have Hall. Peralta - Id much rather have Hardy and then id rather have Escobar. Peralta strikes out at too high of a rate. Jason Kendall is handling our pitching staff very well and seems to have the respect of the entire team. Ill take a very good baseball team with excellent chemistry any day. I think that is what we have.

First of all, just because we've got some good players at the positions some of their players play doesn't mean that we wouldn't want them. I mean, we've got Prince Fielder, but I'd sure as hell take Mark Teixiera for Derrick Turnbow. No the problem with this isn't that they wouldn't be good enough to make our team, the problem is that to even think that we could get Peralta for Turnbow is incredibly unrealistic.

 

But just for the sake of argument. Why wouldn't you take him over Hardy? He's a better offensive player, he's the same age, he's at the same point in his service time. I think that many would rate him as a superior player to Hardy...certainly offensively.

And to then say you'd take Escobar over him just wreeks of absolute homerism. There's just no way. Peralta's a very good young SS.

 

And no, I wouldn't take Blake over Hall because of age and their contract, but I'd sure "take" Blake. He can play several different positions and is a good bet to give you at least equal to what Hall would.

Victor Martinez over Jason Kendall is simply not even a comparison. Yes, Kendall's handling the staff well, but V-mart is one of the games best catchers and would likely be our number 3-4 or 5 hitter(he'd fit in nicely with Prince and Braun).

A switch hitting catcher with a career .303/.373 who hits for good power? Man....if we really wanted him though, it'd be Braun, Hart, Prince..something along those lines. So to say you wouldn't want him for Turnbow?

 

 

So now we're at at least 4 of their 5 starting pitchers(I'd take Byrd as well), V-mart, Garko, Hafner, Peralta, Blake, Sizemore...I'd also take that young 2nd basemen they've got who looks a lot like a more mature Alcides Escobar. And they've got some great relievers in Betencourt, Perez, Kobyashi, and a couple others.

 

 

 

Honestly, I don't know why exactly you seem to think that the Indians are not a good team, but it could definitely be argued that they're better in every single aspect of the game than the Brewers. Personally, I like our lineup a LITTLE better, but Hafner, V-Mart, Sizemore, and Peralta compare very favorable to Braun, Prince, Hart and Hardy. That team was very nearly the WS Champs last year, so they're pretty damn good.

[BillHall02]

I hardly feel the comparison between Cordero and Turnbow is as drastic as Braun and Counsell, though I get your point and also agree that Cordero was better last year. But the thing is, Turnbow isn't the closer, and for his salary is still a good option out of the bullpen. He doesn't have to be viewed as the closer anymore. He's just a very talented reliever at this point, and imo a better bet than someone we call up even with his control options. Why trade him for a small return or cut him and pay his salary when there's no guarantee that we can replace his production? There's not even a guarentee that Torres or Mota will revert to their old form. It's only been a few weeks, and Mota hasn't been lights out. Seems we'd be giving them the short leash if they'd been our team last year as well. Maybe that's why, and Turnbow needs a new scenery, as he's burned some bridges here. I just don't want to see him do what Torres and Mota are now trying to do right now with a new team

[Fatter than Joey]

But the thing is, Turnbow isn't the closer, and for his salary is still a good option out of the bullpen

 

Turnbow is not even close to being the closer.

 

I think it was really telling that Turnbow didn't get the call last night. Sheets only pitched 5 innings and the game was pretty safe -- I just don't think the team has a lot of faith in him. Shouse/Riske/Torres/Gagne all have 7/8 appearances while Turnbow has many appearances as Sheets (4).

 

In Turnbow's 4 appearances -- only one was "close" -- the 12-4 Josh Fogg debacle. Turnbow came in when the score was 5-3, and the Brewers were into the Reds BP, and I think the Brewers expected Turnbow to "hold serve" which he didn't do.

 

Turnbow has pitched in 4 games, the Brewers have lost all 4 games. Now, I am not saying Turnbow is to blame for all 4 losses -- in fact he is not. -- Turnbow has not made an appearance in a game where the Brewers were tied or ahead -- it is pretty clear to me that Turnbow is not a part of the BP rotation in games where we hope (probability wise) to win.

 

Every team needs a garbage inning pitcher -- I have come to think I would rather have McClung in that role than Turnbow -- I am beginning to think if we could flip Turnbow for a prospect and dump his salary, we could keep cheaper McClung to toss multiple innings in games we have minimal chances of winning.

[kmcasper23]

I would trade Turnbow for a fungo bat at this point!

[AJAY]

If I were an Indians fan, I would rather let Chief Wahoo pitch instead of putting Turnbow on the mound.

[ILuvDaBush]

Imagine him getting traded to the Indians, and then getting a sleek pair of skull glasses. But seriously, I think it's time he be moved to a different team, since Yost has explictly said he cannot trust Shaggy in any game time situation right now. We're a positionplayer/pitcher short right now that means. I'm a T-Bow fanatic, and I wish him all the success in the world, but it would seem Milwaukee has soured on their once sweetheart.

[HighLifeandPeanuts]

this just in: Cleveland gets Turnbow, Milwaukee gets a dozen donuts... I say we take it.

[craigharmann]

I don't think ANY team would trade for Turnblow. He's damaged goods in EVERY sense of the phrase. Just release him.....go ahead.....MAKE MY DAY!!!! Please!!

[aracko]

At this point isnt it possible for the Brewers to try to pass him thru waivers and get him on the AAA or AA team to try and work out his kinks? I think there is a chance he would go unclaimed.

 

Winning is a business and Turnbow is bad for business right now.

[Tbadder]

At this point I can't believe anyone would claim him. I feel for the guy. I even supported him thinking he'd go on one of his runs and then they'd trade him for something. But right now I think he need to be DFAed for his sake and the Brewers.