Your Milwaukee Bucks: Where Team Camaraderie Happens

[Mr QL]

I thought Walsh was going to the Knicks... or going back to the Pacers... Anybody but Rick Sund or Babcock. I'd be okay with Larry Brown coaching. That'd show some commitment to winning.

 

I still believe in Yi. He's a young player with a lot of natural ability with the potential(I'm sure he's already brought in a bit) to be a cash cow/somebody the national media actually know, something this team needs. I'd give him another 2 seasons until I label him a bust or not. Next offseason will be the first one off in years(I don't think he has any national team commitments IIRC) and that was when Yao bulked up. Yi needs to get stronger specifically in the hands. He's always getting stripped. If he could get stronger everything else would fall in line.

[danzig6767]

I'm with Danzig on this. No need for me to restate how he put it. I'll add this; there are parts on this team that could be helpful in the right role. If Mo was your 6th man (Ricky Pierce role) he would have more value. Dez could play 12-15 minutes as the 'D' guy off the bench. I'm not sure what to do with CV. Again, I think he could help some teams, but he is so miscast in Milwaukee. Maybe that is the best way to label what Larry Harris has done. He has brought in some players, but with little regard of how they fit together.

 

The next GM has (IMO) a good 3-year project in front of him...good luck!

I think Mo could start on some contenders, but it would depend on how their team was put together. I think he'd be ideal in Cleveland next to LeBron where Mo would play a half PG/half SG role, plus they play great team defense and could cover for Mo's sad defense. Two years ago Dallas/Miami were in the finals with Terry/Jason Williams the starting PG's.

Speaking of Miami, i'd love to see our next GM call the Heat and see if they still would like Mo. With Miami having Wade who handles the ball a lot and defends well, i think Mo would be a good fit next to Wade. If say they landed the 2nd pick in the draft and the first pick was Beasley, I'd offer them Mo/6th-7th pick and take bad a few of their ugly contracts. I doubt they'd accept, but Rose from Memphis would be ideal for the Bucks. Hell, i'd even include Redd if that's what we needed to get it done. Regardless of what moves the Bucks make, they won't have any chance at all to contend the next 2-3 years, during which Redd will be getting paid 16/17/18 million dollars.

I'd trade pretty much anyone on the Bucks to land Rose, only Bogut would make me pause. If though Miami would only trade Rose for Andrew, i'd likely have to do it.

 

[olliegjw]

I'm asking this question because I don't know. Early in the season weren't the Bucks winning when Mo was dishing out more assists instead of scoring high?

They were winning because "the others" decided to show up for a few games. Then they decided they were going to suck some more. Mo took 13.2 shots on average during that stretch and has averaged 14.2 this season.

He averages 14.39 shots in losses and 14.5 shots in wins. Again if we get games where one or two of Yi, Simmons, Villanueva or Mason step up then we have a fighting chance. If they don't then teams are going to beat us because their talent is far superior.

Mo must not shoot much in tie games. Otherwise, these numbers are a bit off.

[Gobias Industries]

I'd trade pretty much anyone on the Bucks to land Rose, only Bogut would make me pause. If though Miami would only trade Rose for Andrew, i'd likely have to do it.

I know you guys at RealGM are very impressed with Rose. I saw him for the first time on Sunday and it's pretty hard not to be. If we luck out and get the first or second pick and are actually able to draft him, what do you think about him and Mo as the starting backcourt? Is his defense good or potentially good enough to justify this? He seems to be Wade's size.

 

I'd like to then turn around and trade Redd for anything that would include a middle first round pick to draft the best SF available.

[fondybrewfan]

I think They should start Ramon Sessions, Jake Vuskuhl, Michael Ruffin, Royal Ivey, and Awvee Storey just to send a message to all the so called leaders on the team.

 

The draft looks like it is going to be very deep and the Bucks should be getting a solid player wherever they end up picking. But as long as we have Redd and Williams as our starting backcourt we will never be consistent. Sure they can score with the best of them but they have never heard of defense and have never seen a shot they didnt like. I like Bogut and I think Yi's development has been stunted because of the coaching staff. Yi will eventually turn into a good player, but I dont think he will until he has some new coaches.

[olliegjw]

1. Trade Redd and the 7th pick for the #2 or #3 pick, and draft Rose. 2. Try and trade Mo for whatever they can get. 3. Bring in a 2-guard that can play some defense.

[danzig6767]

1. Trade Redd and the 7th pick for the #2 or #3 pick, and draft Rose. 2. Try and trade Mo for whatever they can get. 3. Bring in a 2-guard that can play some defense.

Nearly every team that has a good shot at landing the first or second pick in the draft will be a very bad team and would have zero need for a SG who does nothing but score points and is due to make 16/17/18 million the next three seasons.

[don1481]

Hmm... Mo Williams benched for the 4th quarters for both last night and tonight. Bucks win. Coincidence? I think not.

[homer]

Jeez, Bogut has a been a beast since Jan 1. He's gotta be averaging about 16 / 13 since then.

[don1481]

Jeez, Bogut has a been a beast since Jan 1. He's gotta be averaging about 16 / 13 since then.

Bogut has developed a ton this season. His potential is why I continue to support the Bucks' decision to take him first in 2005. As I've said before - teams that live on the perimeter don't stand a chance against teams that have solid inside-outside games in a 7-game playoff series. We saw all too well how living and dying by the jump shot worked for the Bucks back under George Karl. I'll pass on that happening again.

I will admit that both Paul and Deron Williams have nice inside scoring options to compliment their outside playmaking. As I said earlier in this thread, if the Bucks drafted either of them, they'd be making the playoffs but... they'd be eliminated rather quickly due to a lack of an inside presence.

[danzig6767]

Jeez, Bogut has a been a beast since Jan 1. He's gotta be averaging about 16 / 13 since then.

Bogut has developed a ton this season. His potential is why I continue to support the Bucks' decision to take him first in 2005. As I've said before - teams that live on the perimeter don't stand a chance against teams that have solid inside-outside games in a 7-game playoff series. We saw all too well how living and dying by the jump shot worked for the Bucks back under George Karl. I'll pass on that happening again.

I will admit that both Paul and Deron Williams have nice inside scoring options to compliment their outside playmaking. As I said earlier in this thread, if the Bucks drafted either of them, they'd be making the playoffs but... they'd be eliminated rather quickly due to a lack of an inside presence.

There are plenty of ways to find inside scoring options without needing to use a first pick in the draft on one or getting it from the center, both the Jazz and Hornets are prime examples of this. Make no mistake about it though, it's William and Paul are the biggest cog in the success of either team. There isn't a GM in the NBA who would choose Bogut over Paul/Williams if they were starting a team from scratch.

 

Bogut has played better this year which is great to see, he at least looks like he should be able to have a nice career has a very good second tier player. If the Bucks can sign him to a reasonable contract and then somehow find a first tier talent at any position like Paul/Williams are, then the Bucks future could look much brighter. Finding those elite talents aren't easy though, the Bucks will need some good scouting and maybe a bit of luck to.

As for Sessions, it's a pleasure watching a hungry kid like him play. Seeing him hustle and play tough hardnosed defense is something my brain almost had forgot existed for a Milwaukee Bucks PG. Not only that, the kid has great size to go with his nice athletic ability. For the last five years i've had to watch either a moody midget in TJ Ford or soft Mo get totally abused/picked on as defenders waving their red capes. Hopefully LK will give Session 35 minutes for all the rest of the games. I have little doubt the Bucks will look to move Mo in the offseason and hopefully Redd also, now is the time for the team to see how Sessions does vs NBA player given we may consider drafting a PG in the first round. I really really hope Sessions can pan out to be starter quality with more experience, i love the thought of having a tough big point guard.

BTW, if anyone wants to see a prime example of a hungry player vs a soft lazy overpaid player, look at the replay of Sessions chasing down that loose ball with one second left where he called the timeout. Sessions jumps on the jump ball and a Wizards player throws the ball down the court the other way. Mr. Max contract Redd stands in the same spot and never moves at all while Sessions busts his asss down the court to beat a Wizards player for the ball, that hustle play saved the game. Minimum salary Sessions had the hunger and heart to chase down the loose ball while 16 million per year Michael Redd chose to stand around and watch.

[don1481]

There are plenty of ways to find inside scoring options without needing to use a first pick in the draft on one or getting it from the center, both the Jazz and Hornets are prime examples of this. Make no mistake about it though, it's William and Paul are the biggest cog in the success of either team. There isn't a GM in the NBA who would choose Bogut over Paul/Williams if they were starting a team from scratch.

Bogut has played better this year which is great to see, he at least looks like he should be able to have a nice career has a very good second tier player. If the Bucks can sign him to a reasonable contract and then somehow find a first tier talent at any position like Paul/Williams are, then the Bucks future could look much brighter. Finding those elite talents aren't easy though, the Bucks will need some good scouting and maybe a bit of luck to.

However... for as few "top tier" PGs as there are, there are even fewer "top tier" big men. If I'm building a team and *know* that I'm going to be in the lottery for a few years while doing so, I'll draft a big man who has the potential to do big things inside over a PG that will get us to the playoffs sooner but ultimately fail to carry us all the way without a viable big man presence. I think the thing is that we haven't seen a quality PG since at least Sam Cassell, and even his decisionmaking could be questioned at times.

 

BTW, if anyone wants to see a prime example of a hungry player vs a soft lazy overpaid player, look at the replay of Sessions chasing down that loose ball with one second left where he called the timeout. Sessions jumps on the jump ball and a Wizards player throws the ball down the court the other way. Mr. Max contract Redd stands in the same spot and never moves at all while Sessions busts his ass down the court to beat a Wizards player for the ball, that hustle play saved the game. Minimum salary Sessions had the hunger and heart to chase down the loose ball while 16 million per year Michael Redd chose to stand around and watch.

I loved how hard Sessions hustled down to get that. I loved even more the mischevious smirk on Coach K's face as he diagrammed that last play during the final timeout. You knew he was up to something there. I honestly had little doubt Sessions was going to take that shot, but Larry K outdid us all by running it first through Bogut. It's also nice to see a PG that, you know, actually minimizes the horrible ball-hogging and can distribute the ball all around the court. Even Bobby Simmons has looked quasi-serviceable with Sessions running the point. I heard the announcers saying that Mo was at half court right after that timeout screaming at someone... I think it was one of the assistant coaches. If that's true, wow... what a baby.

[homer]

"We saw all too well how living and dying by the jump shot worked for the Bucks back under George Karl."

 

Yes, the Eastern Conference Finals was well below expectations.

 

(just kidding, I understand your point)

[davego]

It might be hard to move Redd until next year. He has 3 years left on the contract. Mo might need a change. He can play, but LH put together to many guys that have the same skill-set (Redd, CV, Mo, Simmons). Sessions might be the guy, but adding another 'big' point-guard would be real nice. I'd love the Bucks to be able to add a legit #4 who can defend. Redd could really be something else (Bogut too) if they played along side 2 top-flight defender. Bottom line is the new GM is looking at 2-3 years to get this going. By then Redd is a FA.

[danzig6767]

However... for as few "top tier" PGs as there are, there are even fewer "top tier" big men. If I'm building a team and *know* that I'm going to be in the lottery for a few years while doing so, I'll draft a big man who has the potential to do big things inside over a PG that will get us to the playoffs sooner but ultimately fail to carry us all the way without a viable big man presence.

I don't buy it, there are more quality big men in the NBA than there are quality PG's.

 

Duncan

Boozer

Garnett

Ming

Camby

West

Stoudemire

Bosh

Dirk

O'Neal

Brand

Gasol

Jefferson

Howard

Chandler

Bogut

Bynum

Kaman

Horford

Aldridge

Okafor

 

The only point guards in the NBA that i'd rather have than some of these big men are

 

Nash

Paul

Williams

Davis

Billups

Miller maybe over J.O'Neal only because O'Neal is hurt so much. Kidd i didn't list because he's old and almost finished.

 

Big men in the NBA who can score and rebound are easier to find that really good point guards, it's just a fact. The Hornets had an easier time finding a quality PF/C combo without needing a high draft pick than they would have been able to land a very good point guard like Paul. Same for the Jazz, they didn't need to use a single pick to get Boozer/Okur, but without trading up for Williams, they would have had almost no chance to land an upper tier PG. That's why both teams would laugh and hang up if the Bucks called offering Bogut for Williams or Paul.

 

It's not all that hard to find a big man in the NBA who can provide around 14/9.5 like Bogut does, it's near impossible to find a PG that provides 21/11 like Paul does or 19/10.5 like Williams does for the Jazz. Hell, i didn't even add Brad Miller and Illgaskus who both average 13.5/9.5 like Bogut does.

 

There is a serious lack of real quality point guards in the NBA right now, far more than big men who can score and rebound. Many fans like to focus to much on just the centers when it really doesn't matter if you get your most production inside from your power forward or center. There wouldn't be that many guys on that big man list that the Jazz or Hornets would trade Paul or Williams for, with good reason and certainly not Andrew Bogut.

[davego]

There is a shortage of the traditional piviot player that plays with his back to the basket.