3/10/08 Cubs (Hill) at Brewers (Bush): 3:05 PM CDT

[GormanHarvey]

Apparently Bush is trying to OBP his way into the rotation

[Fear The Chorizo]

Dave Bush looking very hitterish...draws a walk with a keen eye!

[derflotr]

Bottom 3rd Inning

Hart - single to left

Escobar - line drive single to left, Hart to 2B

Gwynn - squib down third base line, Gwynn out at 1st, runners advance (1 out)

Munson - strikeout, curveball (2 out)

Bush - walk, bases loaded - bye bye Rich Hill, Tim Lahey enters

Weeks - strikeout, slider away (3 out)

 

Rich Hill - 2.2 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 2 BB, 3 K

Lahey - 0.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

 

4-3 Brewers

 

Top 4th Inning

Kroeger - soft grounder to 1B (1 out)

DeRosa - popped out to 1B, jammed on tailing fastball (2 out)

Blanco - soft chopper to P (3 out)

 

Bush - 4 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 1 BB, 4 K

 

4-3 Brewers

 

Bottom 4th Inning

Nunez - chopper to 2B (1 out)

Kapler - grounder to 3B (2 out)

Fielder - chopper to SS (3 out)

 

Rich Hill - 2.2 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 2 BB, 3 K

Lahey - 1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

 

4-3 Brewers

 

Top 5th Inning

Dave Bush replaced by Manny Parra

Fuld - grounder to SS (1 out)

Cedeno - grounder to 3B (2 out)

Theriot - strikeout - changeup (3 out)

Bush - 4 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 1 BB, 4 K

Parra - 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

 

4-3 Brewers

Top 6th Inning

Fukudome - strikeout - fastball (1 out)

Lee - shattered bat grounder to SS (2 out) Manny's got a sick changeup today

Ramirez - stand-up double off LF wall

Kroeger - strikeout - good hard fastball (3 out)

Bush - 4.0 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 1 BB, 4 K

Parra - 2.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K

 

5-3 Brewers

 

Bottom 6th Inning

Les Walrond replaced by Shingo Takatsu

Kapler - popped out to 2B (1 out)

Fielder - grounded to 1B (2 out)

Gross (batting for Hart) - walk

Escobar - strikeout on a frisbee (3 out)

 

Rich Hill - 2.2 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 2 BB, 3 K

Lahey - 1.1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K

Walrond - 1.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K

Takatsu - 0.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 K

 

5-3 Brewers

[Ennder]

Ws and Ls are a measure of team performance, not pitching performance

 

 

For a team, nothing. For a pitcher, plenty

 

 

Doesn't a team have to win for a pitcher to get a W? Its not like there is no correlation. And yes, I realize Vargas got great run support last year

 

Yes, but the team can win and the pitcher doesn't get a W even if he pitched well. The player can pitch terribly and still get a W. Over 50% of whether or not a pitcher gets a W is out of his own control, this is not a stat you want to judge a pitcher by.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Good to see Bush get through innings 2-4 very well.

 

Also good to see Parra continue making hitters look really bad - his changeup is just dirty.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Mr. Escobar is really fast - he runs like people are chasing him

[Fear The Chorizo]

At 3rd, Corey Hart deeked Aram to holding the ball too long and not throwing Gwynn out in time on a grounder...Brewers have a very noticeable team speed increase on their roster.

[owbc]

2007 stats:

 

Player A:

134 IP

5.09 ERA

54 BB

107 SO

23 HR allowed

 

Player B:

150 IP

5.10 ERA

54 BB

132 SO

20 HR allowed

 

They have the same ERA, but with 16 more innings, player B allowed 3 less HR, gave up the same number of walks as player A, and recorded 25 more strikeouts.

 

The only difference is that Player A (Claudio Vargas) was 11-6 last year while Player B (Chris Capuano) was 5-12.

 

If we take a 2 or 3 year sample size, Chris Capuano is the obvious choice over Vargas.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I'm trying to figure out why the endless discussion of W-L record relevance in valuing starting pitchers seems to surface in basically every single thread on this board, including spring training game threads...it's like if "W", "L", and "starting pitcher" all are written in the same post, Ender's (and others) McAfee software sounds the alarm and the thread morphs into what reads like a parent scolding a kid over something they don't want to care about.

 

To make this post game thread-specific, Parra has Fukudome stepping in the bucket again with another K.

[owbc]

Ok, to get back on topic...

 

Parra now has a spring ERA of 1.50.

 

Fukudome is batting .316, so even if he looks bad at times, I'm worried that he is the real deal. It would be especially frustrating to see him take the Cubs over the top, since we never have and never will have a chance of signing a player of that caliber from Japan. It's too early to tell though, D. Lee is batting .150 after all.

[fondybrewfan]

Ok, to get back on topic...

 

Parra now has a spring ERA of 1.50.

 

Fukudome is batting .316, so even if he looks bad at times, I'm worried that he is the real deal. It would be especially frustrating to see him take the Cubs over the top, since we never have and never will have a chance of signing a player of that caliber from Japan. It's too early to tell though, D. Lee is batting .150 after all.

and Prince Fielder doesnt have a home run yet. We wont know if Fukodome is the real deal or not until at least may. Although rheir can be hot streaks and slumps that will last into May so lets make it July to be on the safe side

[derflotr]

Okay, that's all I can do for PBP, I've got to come up with dinner for the family tonight. Bush kept the ball down really well after the first inning (as usual), and Parra's been just as good as he's been all spring. Hopefully they grab their ninth win.

[Ennder]

Just keep in mind he is replacing guys who put up the line of .293/.375/.419/.794 last year.

 

He has to be pretty good to be a major upgrade for them.

 

Meanwhile Cameron will be replacing guys who put up a line of .261/.318/.453/.771.

 

I like the odds of Cameron being a bigger upgrade than Fukudome once you add in the defensive shifts that happened. Yeah the OPS isn't all that much different but an OBP heavy OPS is so much more valuable than a SLG heavy one.

[theavrock]

Final line for Parra 4 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB. I know it is only Spring Training but dang has he looked good.

[sheetswannabe]

Sheets, Parra, Mota, and Pena look unstoppable

[BrewCrewForever]

Brewers: 2 Cubs: 0