3/10/08 Cubs (Hill) at Brewers (Bush): 3:05 PM CDT

[GormanHarvey]

Thanks for doing the PBP derflotr

[Mr QL]

I don't remember what your guys policy for streams and stuff but I'll just say you can find this one.

 

And ugh. Bush better not start. He sucks.

[derflotr]

Top 2nd Inning

Fuld - strikeout (1 out)

Hill - soft groundout to 2B (2 outs)

Theriot - strikeout - nice curve (3 outs)

 

Bush - 2 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 1 BB, 2 K

 

3-0 Cubs

Bottom 2nd Inning

Escobar - groundout to 3B (1 out)

Gwynn - walk

Munson - single to left, Gwynn to 3rd

Bush - single to right, Gwynn scores, Munson to 2B

Weeks - double down left field line, Munson scores, Bush to 3B

Nunez - groundout to short, Bush scores, Weeks to 3B (2 out)

Kapler - double down left field line, Weeks scores

Fielder - strikeout (3 out)

 

Hill - 2 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 1 BB, 2 K

 

4-3 Brewers

 

Top 3rd Inning

Fukudome - foul tip strikeout - fastball (1 out)

Lee - soft lineout to 2B (2 out)

Ramirez - strikeout - cutter/slider? (3 out)

 

Bush - 3 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 1 BB, 4 K

 

4-3 Brewers

 

Bottom 3rd Inning

Hart - single to left

Escobar - line drive single to left, Hart to 2B

Gwynn - squib down third base line, Gwynn out at 1st, runners advance (1 out)

Munson - strikeout, curveball (2 out)

Bush - walk, bases loaded - bye bye Rich Hill, Tim Lahey enters

Weeks -

 

Final line - Rich Hill - 2.2 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 2 BB, 3 K

Lahey -

 

4-3 Brewers

[LUKE232323]

I see zero chance Bush is in the rotation once Gallardo is back.

 

Bush/Gallardo/Suppan/Villanueva/Capuano.

Where is Sheets? And I think Vargas and Parra both have a better shot than Cappy being in the rotation to start the season. Cappy needs to use his option to go down to AAA or extended spring training and work on some things

Typo. I like Parra but given he has options he will be in AAA. Vargas is garbage.

[Mass Haas]

Woogie has been linking to the Gameday all spring long. Doesn't that take away the need for the play-by-play in the thread for everyone?

[cnycerveceros]

What are the odds that Weeks really breaks out this year?

[Fear The Chorizo]

Bush with the RBI single - Weeks with an RBI double...looks like Hill's trying to throw some sort of cutter that's not cutting enough

[GormanHarvey]

Typo. I like Parra but given he has options he will be in AAA. Vargas is garbage

 

 

I get as frustrated as anyone with Vargas when he nibbles and falls behind people causing his pitch count to be high leading to early exits, but I think he will surprise some people this year. I think you will see better control. I surely don't think a guy that is 29, has above average stuff, and is 43-38 in his career is garbage

[GormanHarvey]

What are the odds that Weeks really breaks out this year?

My guess - very, very good

[LUKE232323]

Record is the most overrated pitching stat there is. Vargas is the 8th best starter of our 8 options. Parra on talent alone would be in the rotation if he didn't have options and they were ready to give him 200 innings.

I'm going to be very upset if Vargas is in the rotation over either Cappy or Villanueva, and even Bush.

[sdcheezhd]

Gameday can be up to 1/2 inning behind, often doesn't give counts, etc. I think the PBP is helpful.

[Fear The Chorizo]

To be fair to Mr. Bush, Hill appearing very dead-armed as well (83-86 mph)...that or comcast sportsnet has a bad gun on its broadcast

[Fear The Chorizo]

It'd be nice for Bush to cruise through the middle of the Cubs' order this inning

[brewers19]

Woogie has been linking to the Gameday all spring long. Doesn't that take away the need for the play-by-play in the thread for everyone?

 

You and your logical reasoning.

[GormanHarvey]

Record is the most overrated pitching stat there is.

 

 

Bottom line, what's more important than W's and L's?

[Oldcity]

Almost anything, as long as you're talking about what accurately indicates performance.

[LUKE232323]

Record is the most overrated pitching stat there is.

 

 

Bottom line, what's more important than W's and L's?

For a team, nothing. For a pitcher, plenty. But that has been plenty covered in the Major League forum and no need to hijack the thread.

[Mr QL]

Of course after I say so and so player sucks, they start playing well. Never fails. >_>

[cnycerveceros]

Record is the most overrated pitching stat there is.

 

 

Bottom line, what's more important than W's and L's?

Ws and Ls are a measure of team performance, not pitching performance. Look at Ben Sheets' career record versus his other numbers. I think his career W/L is a losing record.

 

[Ennder]

Record is the most overrated pitching stat there is.

 

 

Bottom line, what's more important than W's and L's?

 

Those are team stats, not pitcher stats.

 

As for linking to gameday, they are very slow to update.

 

Bush looked good in back to back innings, back in the rotation!

[Fear The Chorizo]

Fukudome k - looked almost like he was walking to first, then realized the pitch was a strike and had to swing at it. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes before teams know where his "happy zone" is - there are times when he looks really bad at pitches tailing away from him. He steps in the bucket at the plate on pitches that appear to be coming inside.

[GormanHarvey]

Almost anything, as long as you're talking about what accurately indicates performance.

The guy won twice as many games as he lost last year - I will take that out of a #5 starter any day. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was typically pretty, but I think he will be a late bloomer and have a solid year. His stuff is fine and it sounds like he is commanding his pitches much better so far.

[brewmann04]

bush does not deserve a spot in this rotation Period

[GormanHarvey]

Ws and Ls are a measure of team performance, not pitching performance

 

 

For a team, nothing. For a pitcher, plenty

 

 

Doesn't a team have to win for a pitcher to get a W? Its not like there is no correlation. And yes, I realize Vargas got great run support last year

[Oldcity]

You answered your own question. If Sheets got the run support in 2004 that Vargas got last year he'd have a Cy Young.